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wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 4:58:03 PM

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I am currently getting my engine rebuilt on my 750 by a dealer. The guy at the dealership told me that since I was putting high compression pistons and hot cams that i needed a aftermarket crankshaft or better rods. I have not found anyone who makes either one for a brute force and I was wondering if they even make any and if the guy doesnt know what he is talking about

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:03:45 PM

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Guy doesnt know what he is talking about. I'd go get it back and do the work yourself if its just topend.Nothin to it. One of the highest HP kawi v-twins with a supercharger is runnin stock rods and crank and has been for a good while! Almost everyone is runnin stock rods....Yes you can get aftermarket stuff from Falicon, but it is $$$.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:05:30 PM

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Also I'd go with web 150i cams on that build. Hotcams arent gonna do a whole lot for ya.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:06:33 PM

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I second that one. The stock rods and crank are very strong. I would upgrade the cam and go with aftermarket springs and retainers. It will give you more topend.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:11:32 PM

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Yea, I just said 150i's cause you dont have to mess with springs.They are an improvement but nuthin major. I know a guy with some CWR .355's for sale redbrute..

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:13:46 PM

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im running the 504's they seem to do real good. but you will need valve springs for them.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:15:27 PM

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Everthing work out on that NX kit prairiedogg? I still gotta send you that hose and jets when I get home..

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:16:05 PM

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I have run the 150i's and they did real well but you will always want more.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:49:08 PM

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how much do web cams 150i run compared to hot cams. I found the hot cams for $220 is the reason i was going with them

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 5:59:29 PM

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How much of a power difference is there between the web cams and the hot cams

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 6:10:14 PM

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my crank came from falicon and i believe my rods did to. and yes they were VERY VERY pricey.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 6:39:03 PM

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Everthing work out on that NX kit prairiedogg? I still gotta send you that hose and jets when I get home..

got it hooked up havent sprayed it yet. every line i got to go from the bottle to the solenoid is either too long or too short.lol i made a joiner out of hydraulic hose it will do till you get home.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 6:57:10 PM

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i just put the the web 150i's and wiseco's in mine with a full muzzy exhaust and it runs like a skalded a$$ ape.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 7:46:29 PM

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Does the fully muzzy make that big of a difference with a built motor? I was just plannin on keepin my HMF Penland on after teh wisco's and new cam are in. If the Muzzy really makes a difference I'll spring for it.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 8:25:19 PM

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I heard that the muzzys does but not sure I dropped in a set of 150i's with nothing else and gained 3.5 HP at the rear wheels on the dyno and better throttle response I would imagine with pistons it would be even better for a drop in cam i thought it was good.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 8:45:34 PM

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Im rebuilding the top end on a friend of mines bike. He is wanting to put 11:1 weisco piston in it. Can i slap the pistons in there and run pump gas 91 octane? Will it be ok with that compression? Im pretty sure it will. I was always told that 12:1 you have to run race gas. Just curious because i have no personal experince with brute. Thanks for the help.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/14/2008 10:47:54 PM

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The webs(150i and 504) will set you back a little more than those Notcams but they are a big improvement over them also. I run the 150i with a set of F. S T. true 11.5 pistons . It's a pretty strong combo for what it is.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/15/2008 3:40:07 AM

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I just done the Bosses Brute 650 with V Force Cylinders bored 2 mm over and a set of **** Piston 11.5:1 True Comp as stated above the shelf 11.5s are really 10.5 not 11.5 as the say they are,also we put the 504 Grinds in and took a little off the heads and it is now a 698 but it is a Very Quick Bike and lots of low end Power for sure.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/15/2008 5:08:15 PM

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I wish I would have got more information on the cams before I bought some cause I already have the hot cams and it will cost me a 25% restocking fee to return them. How much horsepower will the wiseco cams and hot cams at to my bike. I have a 08 750 with a hmf pipe and optimizer already. What esle can I add to gain some mid range and top end. I really don't need any more low end.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/15/2008 10:27:14 PM

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if mid & top end is what you are looking for then you need to look into the vfj clutch mod. it runs about $300

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/16/2008 4:25:54 AM

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Just get the Web Cams or get with Goatman on here in the for sale ads and he has some CWR 450 Lift Cams,but call around and check to make sure they will fit but he only want 250.00 for them and you could sell the Slow Cams for that much on Ebay.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/16/2008 7:43:08 AM

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Yeah thats a good idea. If I can't sell them I will just return them and pay the $55. I hope I can sell them for $240 shipped

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 1:57:26 AM

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put them back on ebay. some dummy will buy them for sure.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 9:38:13 AM

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put them back on ebay. some dummy will buy them for sure.

hey did you buy 85mm pistons or did you get the 87mm??

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 10:12:12 AM

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part of the reason you're bike cost sooo much was who re-built it.....i also got a quote from him a while back and it was VERY-VERY PRICEY

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my crank came from falicon and i believe my rods did to. and yes they were VERY VERY pricey.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 10:46:34 AM

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yea i got over 4 grand in this motor right now. he does good work he is just slow. hopefully my bike will be ready next week though. it should be pretty bad

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 12:38:50 PM

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Is the mudbuster hot cam any better than the stage 1 hotcam

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 12:44:57 PM

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Hit up 06grizzwald and ask him about his setup! I like the Wesico and MudBusters myself! I love lowend torque!

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 12:54:02 PM

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Haven't been able to ride it much since I got it, but the little bit I have, it has some serious NUTZ on the bottom. I'm in the process of getting a few loose ends tied up, and when I do I give you a full report.

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RE: wiseco high compression pistons and hot cams - 8/17/2008 9:31:08 PM

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Has anybody had any good results out of the stage 1 hot cams for the brute

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