lips450
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does anyone know if the swamp witch tires run true and if they are good?
im looking at a 28
heres my report against jd2210 report i have the videos of both tires going threw. swamp switch isnt as good as the mst's imo. The mst's are the new upgraded swamp switch anyway.
heres a video of brand new 28" mst's vs second video used run down 26" mudbugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJO1Fw8LpPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87V_Sr72U_Q
here mine facts compared to jd2210, its simular in some but others wow your out to lunch lol
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If you can properly monitor your throddle they will mud very similar to my old MudBugs. Both thick mud and watery mud. For inexperienced riders I would recommend the bugs instead. They clean out better than the witches and aren't nearly as dependant on throddle control.
my fact.... Your right here the mudbugs do out perform the swamp fox & mst's in mud do to the tread pattern. The bugs clean out better in mud at all speeds and condition that i have found. Also dont you mean the experenced rider should use swamp switch and mst's do to the fact you need to use alot of throttle control as the bugs theres no thinking just hit it at what ever speed you want?
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They are superior to the MudBug's in Muskeg. This may be due to the wider tires up front, but they don't don't dig nearly as quickly and you can go through a lot of holes slower than you can with the bugs.
my fact.... well i did alot of riding with mine in the muskeg aswell and with the skinnys they also did pretty good, but as far as the bugs go i dont understand how you say you were diging down with them cause the bugs have a better floatation then swamp witch or mst's all day long.
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They are equal to the bugs in creeks.
my facts..... i found out they both work pretty good but id have to lean towards the bugs here cause i found with the swap witch and mst's they have a harder tire thicker more solid lugs and tend to slip a bit as the bugs grabed. Not much but i felt the diffrence in fast current as the bugs pulled me up the creek & the swamp witch & mst's i had to go sideways to get across or id just spin in one spot.
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They ride worse than the bugs. This once again may be due to the 12's up front or maybe even the lower air pressure, but I find they don't smooth out as well as the bugs do over 8mph. They really vibrate at around 60k's.
my facts.... yes your correct i have the skinny up front and still the mudbugs did ride better
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They back out of holes better than the bugs did. I would put their backing abilities on par with a Mudlite.
my fact.... yes they back up good but so do the bugs, this one is a toss up. as far as the comment goes there par with the mudlight makes the tire look bad cause the mudlights are junk imo
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They are better in sand than the bugs.
my fact.......this is where it blows my mind, there is no way in hel this sawp switch or the mst's beat the bugs in sand no way. The bugs are a better floatation tire and softer so the bite is alot better then the other 2. I had big time problems going on sand with those tires. Going up lose dirt hills the bugs almost outperformed the swamp switch & mst's in 2 wheel drive as the others in 4 wheel. Sand habds down mud bugs. id say thats imo but really its a FACT.
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They climb out of a mud hole better than the bugs did. Not to sound like a broken record but once again the 12's up front I think are to credit for this. The skinny bugs couldn't climb a wet log or rock or the side of a mud put for the life of them. The Witch's side lug doesn't look like much but I have been very impressed with their climbing abilities out of the mud put or over a log that you can't hit square on.
my fact.... well i cant say much as you have the 12 up front but my skinnys i have on do not i reapeat not climb over anything better than the bugs did. The reason why you say it climbs better out of a hole is imo is do to the extra ground clearence you have over the bugs and yes 12" up front would help out big time.
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These tires are much more sensitive to air pressure than the bugs were. I could run 3.5 to 5 in the bugs and they really didn't seem to change too much, but for these a half a pound makes them a different tire altogether.
my fact.... hes correct they do make a huge diffrence but the bugs i could go as low as 1lb and you could see theres only one pound and still never pop the bead, you go 1 lb on the swamp witch or mst's and it would look like it had 5-8 thats do to the harder compound they use. thats why climbing over opsticals the bugs wins hands down as it molds over everything as the other two dont.
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no comment on snow because it isn't deep enough to do a test.
my fact.... well i have no commont on mst's or swampwitch but i do have one in bugs. The mudbugs to me are the best snow tire anyone can buy. LIke i said they have a very good floatation and alot of traction to get you going and not to much to just make you dig and get high centered. We ride alot of snow here in birtish columbia and we follow the sleds up to the cabin where its over 20 feet deep. the trick to it is to put and use body movment to get you going if you see your tires spin hit the breaks and back up to pack what you just went over and keep repeating this. Now if it freezes over thats a hole diffrent game just hammer on it and hold on cause it going to be one bumpy ride
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The 12's up front really don't make a whole lot of difference on the steering. This may be a set up I stick with. I notice more and more people running 12's all around. They definately ride worse at higher speeds but for me that isn't much more than maybe 5% of the time so I really don't care.
my fact.... hes correct i found that the mst's steerd best up front and i also just put the 12" up front and still steers really good, to me they do steer better than the bugs and swamp switch.
im not going to give you a overall what tire is better thats for you to deside i gave you my facts what you do with it is upo to you
good luck
< Message edited by lips450 -- 11/6/2008 12:00:10 PM >
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