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signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 4:53:10 PM   
tytyrecon


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?????????

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 5:19:39 PM   
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smoking and loss of compression.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 5:56:02 PM   
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how do you tell if u have lost compression?

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 6:20:11 PM   
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Get a compression guage, pull the spark plug and insert or thread in the guage.  Turn over the quad and it'll give you a compression reading.  You'll have to find out what the spec is for your quad.  Blue smoke out the exhaust is oil going by your rings. 

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 6:45:32 PM   
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well i do have blue smoke coming out of the tail pipe but when i try to go if i dont floor it, it wants to stall
is that a loss of compression?

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 7:11:29 PM   
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how long has there been a loss in perfomance, not after the bike was snorked per chance.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 7:18:06 PM   
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well i took it out b4 i put the snorkle on it and sank it around 4times that day  
i flushed the motor a few times and it ran ok then i put the snorkle on and it ran great
but the second time i rode it, it was smoking very very litlle with the snorkle i sank it becouse one of my carb hoses came off
so i flushed it 1 more time then rode it somemore 2day and that when i realized it was really smoking blue
btw i WOT'ed about a month ago 

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 7:25:13 PM   
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You need to take a compression reading, and then more than likely open it up to see if you need new rings, possibly a piston, cylinder or bore.  You won't know until you open it up.  At the very least, it'll probably need rings, but more than likely a small bore and the next size up piston - depends what you find. 

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 7:32:19 PM   
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how will i be able to tell what i need
how much will it cost for a 250 recon

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 8:09:40 PM   
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I paid a little over a thousand. High comp piston,bored and installed a cam but i already had the cam.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 8:11:11 PM   
tytyrecon


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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is no way i will be able to put that much into it

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/2/2008 9:01:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: toyazman76

I paid a little over a thousand. High comp piston,bored and installed a cam but i already had the cam.



You got hosed.  It shouldn't cost more than $125 for the piston, rings, and wrist pin.  About $40 for the neccessary gaskets.  $50 tops for the bore and hone.  Tops $10 a piece for the 2 valve oil seals.  Chalk on another $10 for a few cans of carb cleaner to get all the carbon residue off the head and you should be good to go.  This is if you're gonna do it yourself.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/3/2008 7:12:49 AM   
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ive already replaced the rings and cleaned everything up and it only cost me $80 for rings and gaskets but im hopeing thats all i need

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completely rebuilt engine and rear end
soon to have 2" lift
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completely stock out front
Homemade 1.5" PVC Snorkel
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custom monster warning labels
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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/3/2008 5:44:10 PM   
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Did you hone the cylinder before you put everything back together?

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/4/2008 10:58:12 PM   
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what is honeing the cylinder

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/5/2008 11:47:43 PM   
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oh my.....when you change the rings your suppose to hone the cylinder  to give the new rings a good new fresh seating surface...else your pissin in the wind by JUST changing the rigs if you have ANY kind of scoring or scratches in the cylinder walls.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/6/2008 7:19:39 AM   
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so what would i need to do to hone the cylinder?

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/6/2008 8:03:32 PM   
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If I were you, I'd take the cylinder and piston up to a machine shop.  The machine shop can tell you if your piston is even in spec with the cylinder anymore.  If it is, and it's not egg shaped or scarred up too bad, then have them hone it.  Then you can reinstall the components.  Make sure to use plenty of motor oil as a lubricating agent when installing these parts.  If you don't have some piston ring pliers, I would recommend them, otherwise you could bend a ring and waste $30.  Get a friend to help you compress the rings as you put the cylinder back over the piston.  Also make sure to align the ring openings correctly, if not, you'll have oil blow by and have to take it all back apart.  I'm sure one of the honda guys can give you a pic of where the rings need to be aligned.   You'll also need the torque specs for the head bolts.  And I'd go ahead and adjust the valves while you're in there.  Good luck to ya.

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55W Halogen on the Back
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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/6/2008 8:35:28 PM   
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ok thnx 4 all the info
what is a machine shop
is it like a machanic place

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soon to have 2" lift
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completely stock out front
Homemade 1.5" PVC Snorkel
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custom monster warning labels
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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/6/2008 9:47:46 PM   
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Yellow Pages + Machine Shop = Where you need to go.

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UNI Filter
55W Halogen on the Back
More to come......

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2" Home made bracket lift
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DynoJet Kit
UNI Filter
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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 7:59:08 AM   
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lol thnx

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completely stock out front
Homemade 1.5" PVC Snorkel
jeep taillight
custom monster warning labels
One 15 y. o. operator

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 9:38:43 AM   
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dude before you go rippin the motor apart...spend a few days researchin your bike, reading and askin questions...if you dont know what your doin your gonna get in over your head real quick....and cause more problems to your bike than you fix.

+1 for coming here and askin what to do...your on the right track.

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homemade snorkels
CnC Machined Muffler Power tip
K&N air filter
12 point deer horns on the front rack
Lookin for a good Mechanic to rebuild

92 blue kawasaki bayou 220 (the blue beast)
UNI filter
Super Swampers
12 point deer horns strapped to front rack

08 Honda Rancher-Lil Red
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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 9:47:48 AM   
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find atvtech in the honda forum, he will have all necessary honda info, gaps, compression lbs, etc
but ring position should be on the new piston and if i remember correctly it has 5 rings total 1 oil ring with two keepers, and two compression rings, the compression ring gaps should go one to the left of bike and one to the right of bike
the oil ring split should go to the rear and the keeper rings make a y facing forward, one toward front right wheel and the other to the front left wheel

drop one new ring into the cylinder before proceding and use a gap tool to find the ring clearance, that will tell you right off if your cylinder is ok, and look for gaps behind the ring to tell if cylider is out of round or egg shaped, but since you have swamped it multiple times, im guessing you are getting an overbore, while you are doing that split the cases and clean em, not just a little bit, but completely clean every little spot or youll be back in there again soon, hondas are notorious for holding mud, and order a new oil cooler too, those hold mud

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 11:00:00 AM   
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You have the perfect bike as your first to rebuild if your doing it yourself. go ahead and take off the plastics this time so you can see what you are doing and get a better understanding of whats going on. you have a pushrod engine, its different than 80% of the other brands bikes in that you dont have to wory with timing the cam after doung a ring job. The best advice I can give you from way over here is ...


PUT CLEAN RAGS AROUND THE ROD UNDER THE PISTON AS SOON AS YOU REMOVE THE CYLINDER.
You don't want to drop anything down in there or you will be in over your head.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 11:09:05 AM   
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a while back i was changing the top end on my grizzly and dropped a nut down the timing chain slot, got a long telescoping magnet and was living right that day, i got it out first drop, and it was way down there by the flywheel

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ITP SS106, 26" Terra Cross, Warn 424, K&N
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Pink Dipped Plastics
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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 11:30:21 AM   
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sscard thats a good hole to drop it down. wort case senerio you gotta pull the side cover. 1/2 inch the other way and you'da been hanging the grizzly from the rafters upsidedown shaking it. . I've split cases before only to find the piston pin clip on the shop floor the next day. talk about a bad week.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 3:30:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: longdude17

dude before you go rippin the motor apart...spend a few days researchin your bike, reading and askin questions...if you dont know what your doin your gonna get in over your head real quick....and cause more problems to your bike than you fix.

+1 for coming here and askin what to do...your on the right track.



ive already done it once

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completely rebuilt engine and rear end
soon to have 2" lift
no winch
25x12.5-9 kenda bearclaws on 250ex rear rims out back
completely stock out front
Homemade 1.5" PVC Snorkel
jeep taillight
custom monster warning labels
One 15 y. o. operator

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/7/2008 3:58:29 PM   
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what im gonna do is take it all apart and take the piston and cylinder to a machine shop then put the new rings on and put it all back together after cleaning everything

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completely rebuilt engine and rear end
soon to have 2" lift
no winch
25x12.5-9 kenda bearclaws on 250ex rear rims out back
completely stock out front
Homemade 1.5" PVC Snorkel
jeep taillight
custom monster warning labels
One 15 y. o. operator

http://myspace.com/clutz_tyler
hit me up!!

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/8/2008 5:58:32 PM   
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sounds good to me so long as he doesn't tell you you need a new piston.

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RE: signs that i need new piston rings - 10/9/2008 7:51:27 AM   
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yea true that

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completely rebuilt engine and rear end
soon to have 2" lift
no winch
25x12.5-9 kenda bearclaws on 250ex rear rims out back
completely stock out front
Homemade 1.5" PVC Snorkel
jeep taillight
custom monster warning labels
One 15 y. o. operator

http://myspace.com/clutz_tyler
hit me up!!

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