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one way bearing/starter clutch liston to it - 9/22/2008 3:29:34 PM

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Wonder if anyone has had one go bad, mine is still allowing the starter to spin once the motor is running and offcourse this is making it wine real loud once it warms up. My question is mine spins free with no binding or anything and wondered if anyone has changed one with the same issue.?

cant figure out why it would be bad but yet still spin so freely, i also had pulled this out of my other motor and it was good when i did this so why putting it in this motor did it all of a sudden go bad..???

I had the motor running and pulled the starter off and sure enough the starter was still spinning so this tells me the oneway bearing is bad as the starter should not be spinning with the motor running.

guess i am just baffled that it spins so free yet still is spinning the starter over while its running and the fact it was good when i pulled it off the other motor and put it on this one.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 3:54:54 PM

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2 years of owning this camera and i finially firgure out how to put a video up..LOL

anyway if someone can say if this looks right or not sure would be helpfull . click the pix.

ps does everyone hate the sound of their own voice..lol

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 4:58:12 PM

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I've had them apart on a 300,400, 500, and v2. They spun about the same as yours does. Is ther amyway the starter is putting it in a bind?

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 5:02:16 PM

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I can pull the starter out and it still spins the gears while its running, i also tryed a different starter on it as well.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 5:34:31 PM

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With the cover on and the starter off, does it still spin freely? That's if you can reach the starter gear thru the starter hole.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 5:37:27 PM

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I will have to install the cover and see, i no the gears are still spinning and should not be while its running but have not check what it feels like when not running i will do that.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 5:51:36 PM

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I wonder if it has some kind of a side-load on it. I don't know how because nothing else touches that gear. idk?

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 7:48:11 PM

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GWC, while looking at your video, I noticed that you could potentially have one of the same problems I did. That "saddle" or circle to the right, which one of the starter idler gear pins fits in, looks to have a piece missing on one side. Here's a pic of what I'm talking about:

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To your original question, the bearing on my 500 spun exactly as yours is. So I would say that is normal.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:02:27 PM

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i'm having same problem, mine is making a heck of a clanking noise when i crank it, can someone tell me what to look for when i get in there, what it mite be making it do that.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:05:39 PM

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2Bad, look at the picture in my post above. I'm willing to bet that is your problem. You may also have chipped a tooth on one of the starter gears.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:07:35 PM

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ok, tnx i will look for it when i get in it.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:14:55 PM

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quote:

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GWC, while looking at your video, I noticed that you could potentially have one of the same problems I did. That "saddle" or circle to the right, which one of the starter idler gear pins fits in, looks to have a piece missing on one side. Here's a pic of what I'm talking about:

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what exactly is the piece that is missing from that hole

To your original question, the bearing on my 500 spun exactly as yours is. So I would say that is normal.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:19:59 PM

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Yes this motor was a pile of crap when i bought it off e-bay( thanks e-bay

) and had been swamped and rode that way, i put all new bearings crank gears and a complete top end on it. It was doing this when i first got it running and it tryed to lock up(before i went rebuilt it) and when it did that it broke that peice off.
It does still set tight in the hole and does not move so i just have left it alone.

But this is what i thought i spun it and it seems to spin very free and does lock up tight going the other way but after the motor gets warmed up it whines pretty loud and if i pull the starter off it stops whineing so i know its the starter getting hot , so in my mind this tell me the one way is bad but it seems to work just fine and i hate to buy another one only to have it do the same thing again..
was hoping someone might have had the same thing happen and know what the fix would be..lol

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:33:04 PM

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Part of the case broke off. There is a pin that sits in that hole that supports a starter idler gear. It relays the force from the starter to the crank, thus starting the motor. Since it's broken, the gears lose alignment which cause more problems other than not starting.

My conclusion as to why the case broke is rider error. I think my problem could possibly be due to starting the motor with water on top of the piston. This is the only culprit I can come up with.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:44:26 PM

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People have had that happen when trying to start one with a allmost dead battery, the starter can kick back putting it in a bind. or like your aid alittle water on top of the piston trying to lock up the motor.
problem is once it breaks out completely you have to either find someone to weld it up and hope it works buy new cases $$ or take the idler gears out and pull start it from now on..

mine did it because of a freshly charged battery and a crank that was locking up in its bearing.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 8:44:55 PM

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ok tnx

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/22/2008 11:01:14 PM

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when my one way bearing messed up the other day i could turn it by hand, but when the engine was running it would seize up. but if i would wiggle it by hand it would free and i could turn it again. so possibly could be the extra speed and maybe a little damage to the housing could heat it up and seize it. how hard is to pull the flywheel, and inspect the housing for damage.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/23/2008 7:30:28 AM

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Its real easy to pull it if you have a puller

other wise you cant get it off. Iam going to put it back together and see what its doing ,iam going to feel the gears and see if its anydiferent all put back together and then se what force it takes to stop the gears from turning while its running or if they will even stop, might be like you said and once running at speed it locks up for some reason.

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RE: one way bearing/starter clutch - 9/23/2008 8:36:00 AM

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There is your side-load.

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 9:50:25 AM

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Ok i put it back together and fired it up, with the starter pulled out the ideler gears do spin but you can stop them with the lightest touch so iam thinking maybe this is not the problem its like they are spinning because of the vibration of the motor..? iam not even sure it is spinning with the starter in place. it also is makeing the same noise with the starter out.
but anyway liston to it and see how bad it is (the whining) only does it when its fully warmed up and when you ride it the noise goes away. but at a idel it does not matter if its in gear or not.

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 10:17:58 AM

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Does the noise stop when you stop the idle gear?

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 10:52:11 AM

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nope its not, its doing it no matter what.

what gets me is i replaced allmost everything in this motor because it was doing this in the first place. when i took this (good motor lol ) apart you can tell it had been swamped and rode that way for some time so i replaced all the bearings crank clutches and took the one way bearing out of my other motor that was not doing this at the time and put in it this one only to have it still do this..

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 12:19:12 PM

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which motor is this? your slower 500??lol

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 12:49:23 PM

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yeah this is my 500m.

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 5:53:13 PM

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What's the possibility it's in the centrifigal clutch? Cause it goes away when you rev it up.

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 8:35:10 PM

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meet me at the drop off and i will explain

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 8:56:02 PM

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meet me at the drop off and i will explain

if you even had a clue to how i ride or what i ride in you would not be running your mouth, you have been running your mouth about how far you can ride in one day like somone else could not keep up. you dont know me or what kind of shape iam in and i bet money you wont out ride me or out last me on one of your "long rides". you pop off and dont even know what the other person is capable of.
The more you type the more it just proves my point.

If you think i just set in a mud hole and spin my tires all day you are truely clueless ..

I was not the one running my mouth about how i could out do ANYONE, YOU where and you are saddly mistaken, your little rincon could not follow my "whining" 500m for more then a mile where i ride but yet it will follow your rinCON all day long where you ride..

yeah yeah you got 20 billion miles on your rinCon big freaken deal if i rode on fire roads and groomed paths all day long i would have that as well.

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 9:14:45 PM

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die hard honda guys usally set on hard ground watch everyone else play, then talk about reliabilty

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RE: one way bearing/starter liston to it - 9/23/2008 9:15:00 PM

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What's the possibility it's in the centrifigal clutch? Cause it goes away when you rev it up.

I replaced it as well, matter of fact i replaced both the wet clutch and the main clutch the complete units.

guess i should of known better to buy a motor off e-bay thats list as Needs valve seals...lol

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