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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 8:50:23 PM

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it helps to put the heads together to find the best spots to adjust.

This is probably the best addition to the tuning tool box. As Mat said here it really helps to have someone with equal/better knowledge, in the field, to bounce Ideas off of . I found the tunes went twice as fast when there was another person around to verify changes I had made

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 8:54:00 PM

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Using an accelerometer won't really work well for dialing in A/F ratios, as there are too many variables, tire slip, belt slip, rider position, to name a few. The best way is with an engine dyno, so none of that stuff has a chance to mess with the tuneup.

The a/f ratios are already dialed in spot perfect everywhere but on the very bottom on this bike. After toying with the setup, I can continuously accelerate with less than 5% deviation in the summation of the curves on each given run, so I think small modifications to the fuel maps will show on an accelerometer given these early tests. It's true that these "variables" exist within single runs, but like anything else accuracy and precision is increased as more data is established and more runs are taken while maintaining the greatest level of consistency possible...

I don't have access to an engine dyno, so I have to find alternate methods to determine these things...

The very bottom is where your problem will be, because of spinning, or wheelies or whatever. You'll get close, but not quite rite. It doesn't matter anyway, just tune for good response, like no stuttering, crisp response, etc, and you'll be there. (I'm assuming a v-twin can am)

Forget the engine dyno, and just go to a chassis dyno. It's so easy, you can dial her in in a pull or two. Is this a CVT bike like the 800 can am, or another unit?

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 8:58:35 PM

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The standard minimum used for this type of analysis is 12 runs in each possible scenario. After the 12 runs, it goes to the evaluation phase to determine if the process is within an acceptable deviation to continue. Generally, I will run 12 and "throw out" any that fall more than 5% from my "average." If any more than 2 of these twelve runs must be thrown out, then the process is considered unacceptable and must be repeated. If it is repeatedly unacceptable, then the process is thrown out.

At least, that's the method I've been using with pretty decent success...
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If I understand you correctly.... your neighbors are alot more tolerant than mine . If I did 12 runs for each TP I would have the law out here in a minute

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:20:33 PM

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LOL!! DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE JJ!!

Casey, you're giving me a headache again! No more statistics!! I guess that class would have been ok if they could have spoken English! Nothin like a foreign grad student!

Great guys, bad english!

We did a quick tune on my bike thus we did not spend alot of time at each throttle position to dial in a/f at all rpm's per tp. There is a night and day difference between the way the bike runs now and how it ran before. No more hesitation off the line, no mid range stumble, and the fan doesn't stay on all the time! I am very pleased.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:23:00 PM

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Sounds like u was a lil to lean there buddy

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:23:01 PM

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i know right!!!!!!!!! sounds like you got a pretty solid program engie. it's nice to take that data push it thru a software like minitab and let it set-up your histogram(bell curve) against the pre determined standard deviation matrix. thanks for the dialog on the topic guys.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:33:51 PM

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f'n a! NO MINITAB!! LOL!

As Greg said, if you can get a smooth A/F ratio across the board then you are good to go. Let'r eat!!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:40:17 PM

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russel did you save your runs? if so mail them over and we can take a look at them for ya and give ya some feedback man. And yeah we did an 800 this weekend and the dude got on it and could not stop smiling after a couple min. Its like a whole diff ride. Forget the power gains when you have a well tuned bike so much more smooth and has such great throttle response. I love doing them it is a good feeling to have one come in running like poo and have it leave and the guy ride a 300 foot wheelie after it rolls out

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:43:12 PM

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LOL!! DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE JJ!!

Casey, you're giving me a headache again! No more statistics!! I guess that class would have been ok if they could have spoken English! Nothin like a foreign grad student! Great guys, bad english!

We did a quick tune on my bike thus we did not spend alot of time at each throttle position to dial in a/f at all rpm's per tp. There is a night and day difference between the way the bike runs now and how it ran before. No more hesitation off the line, no mid range stumble, and the fan doesn't stay on all the time! I am very pleased.

Do I need to bring my WBC to Mudstock??????? LOL

We'll be doing runs till the races start !!!!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:49:33 PM

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Thanks Mat, I appreciate the offer but we were in a hurry and didn't save any of the runs. I'll remember to save them next time for research. I feel like a little kid in the candy store again! its like a new bike! LOL!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:52:04 PM

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LOL!! DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE JJ!!

Casey, you're giving me a headache again! No more statistics!! I guess that class would have been ok if they could have spoken English! Nothin like a foreign grad student! Great guys, bad english!

We did a quick tune on my bike thus we did not spend alot of time at each throttle position to dial in a/f at all rpm's per tp. There is a night and day difference between the way the bike runs now and how it ran before. No more hesitation off the line, no mid range stumble, and the fan doesn't stay on all the time! I am very pleased.

Do I need to bring my WBC to Mudstock??????? LOL We'll be doing runs till the races start !!!!

Casey is ban from riding in the cow fields while tuning.

Coker, glad to hear you got your bike running good again.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:57:35 PM

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Thanks Mat, I appreciate the offer but we were in a hurry and didn't save any of the runs. I'll remember to save them next time for research. I feel like a little kid in the candy store again! its like a new bike! LOL!

wanna feel like a "BIG" kid in the candy store??????? let us get our hands on it for a lil while.

No peeking though..... just pick it up when We're done and hold on....

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 9:57:46 PM

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LOL!! DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE JJ!!

Casey, you're giving me a headache again! No more statistics!! I guess that class would have been ok if they could have spoken English! Nothin like a foreign grad student! Great guys, bad english!

We did a quick tune on my bike thus we did not spend alot of time at each throttle position to dial in a/f at all rpm's per tp. There is a night and day difference between the way the bike runs now and how it ran before. No more hesitation off the line, no mid range stumble, and the fan doesn't stay on all the time! I am very pleased.

Do I need to bring my WBC to Mudstock??????? LOL We'll be doing runs till the races start !!!!

At the current pace, I'll be there with the LM1/LMA3. So when you see me doing WOT runs through the campground pulling a large log, don't think of me as an idiot!

GOTTA tune for that underwater start on the Muddacross track!!! Failure to do so cost me a race last time I was at Mud Creek...not this time!!!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:03:17 PM

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Casey is ban from riding in the cow fields while tuning.

Coker, glad to hear you got your bike running good again.

DERN BARRY

Thats supposed to be my lil secret!!!

I got somthing for Stevie's clutches once I get my handle bars back on

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:05:15 PM

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Thanks Mat, I appreciate the offer but we were in a hurry and didn't save any of the runs. I'll remember to save them next time for research. I feel like a little kid in the candy store again! its like a new bike! LOL!

wanna feel like a "BIG" kid in the candy store??????? let us get our hands on it for a lil while. No peeking though..... just pick it up when We're done and hold on....

Looks like i'm gonna have to get someone a few drinks this weekend so they'll start talk'n!!

Barry, you going to make Mudstock??? You've gotta get the gade ready to hit the trails after the races!! Its gonna be an all nighter!!!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:06:49 PM

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DERN BARRY
Thats supposed to be my lil secret!!!

I got somthing for Stevie's clutches once I get my handle bars back on

Yeah, I was wondering why you left so quick.

. By the way, I couldn't stand it. I went ahead and order one tonight.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:07:54 PM

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one day..... I'll figure out how to post on this #$!$& forum.

Engie, look us up friday when ya'll are tunning. I wouldnt mind you dropping some of those "pearls of wisdom" my way..... Actually, I just wanna learn some different software....

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:17:15 PM

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Thanks Mat, I appreciate the offer but we were in a hurry and didn't save any of the runs. I'll remember to save them next time for research. I feel like a little kid in the candy store again! its like a new bike! LOL!

wanna feel like a "BIG" kid in the candy store??????? let us get our hands on it for a lil while. No peeking though..... just pick it up when We're done and hold on....

Russell, I think we need to finish your bike, then let them hold on.... 4000 rpms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:18:28 PM

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DERN BARRY
Thats supposed to be my lil secret!!!

I got somthing for Stevie's clutches once I get my handle bars back on

thats them special bitmore edition handle bars good for at least 5.279 RWHP

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/6/2008 10:35:05 PM

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DERN BARRY
Thats supposed to be my lil secret!!!

I got somthing for Stevie's clutches once I get my handle bars back on

thats them special bitmore edition handle bars good for at least 5.279 RWHP

Actually its them "Ladner Edition" handle bars

and its AT LEAST 6.279 RWHP.... GET IT RIGHT!!!!!.

Glad to hear about the Purchase Barry... Take The "Ladner Edition" to the next level.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 11:11:30 AM

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Are you welding in O2 ports on every tune or replacing the muffler just for the tune??

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 11:38:50 AM

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John, we just did a quick 1 map tune using a bung in the exhaust that can be swapped from bike to bike for quick tuning. After mudstock, we'll be tuning individual cylinders if need be.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 11:39:38 AM

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Barry, you going to make Mudstock??? You've gotta get the gade ready to hit the trails after the races!! Its gonna be an all nighter!!!

Yep, I will be there. I wont be riding the gade after the races though. I got something better for the trails. I'm taking the 400 out on the trails.

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 11:40:49 AM

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Barry, you going to make Mudstock??? You've gotta get the gade ready to hit the trails after the races!! Its gonna be an all nighter!!!

Yep, I will be there. I wont be riding the gade after the races though. I got something better for the trails. I'm taking the 400 out on the trails.

LOL! You know you can't handle that 400!!!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 11:46:58 AM

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man man man russell it has taken you THIS long to realize that after you add ANYTHING you need to TUNE IT??? man your so smart with clutching.............i didn't realize you were that much dumb on the tuning side of the spectrum. LOLOL

IF YOU CHANGE IT.................TUNE IT!

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 12:02:23 PM

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man man man russell it has taken you THIS long to realize that after you add ANYTHING you need to TUNE IT??? man your so smart with clutching.............i didn't realize you were that much dumb on the tuning side of the spectrum. LOLOL

IF YOU CHANGE IT.................TUNE IT!

LOL!! DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE MARK

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RE: TUNE YOUR BIKE!! - 10/7/2008 12:11:02 PM