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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/7/2008 8:58:01 PM   
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i think the new CR cummins just use the CP3 same as maxes for a lift pump also but i have never messed with a CR

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/7/2008 9:35:12 PM   
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well sounds like i need to look for a 12v then got to have the power .

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/8/2008 8:10:04 AM   
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2003 thru 2005 common rails have a lift pump mounted on the filter ...

2005+ have a lift pump in the tank ...

i dyno'd 505/1032 with the following

edge drag comp=600$
stage 4 Edge jammer injectors=400$
STOCK LIFT PUMP with a big line kit=100$, have 8psi at the end of a 500hp run (one of the biggest internet misconceptions is that you need a fass or some other 700$ lift pump)

STOCK HEAD ... STOCK HEAD GASKET ... STOCK TURBO




to make it more reliable and easier for daily driving i got a

HTT HTBG (imo it's better to have a turbo on the small side than the large side, much easier for daily driving) 1000$ (at that time)

to keep it moving after I tore out 2nd gear i bought a DTT tranny 4500$

i have 80k miles on the above setup ...

STILL HAVE THE FACTORY ORGINAL HEADGASKET AND HEADBOLTS


DODGE GUYS REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING:

ANY MODS REQUIRE A PYROMETER!!!

any 24 valves REQUIRE a fuel pressure gauge!!! - yes even stone stock ones

ANY MODS REQUIRE UPGRADING THE STOCK DODGE AUTO - PAY ME NOW OR LATER ... BUT YOU WILL PAY

don't get hung up on dyno numbers ...

good freind has a great running third gen ...

it currently has a high end miss ...

we're pretty sure he's draing the rail ...

he dyno'd 380/700 ish ...

and was ready to sell the truck 'cause he didn't "lay 400 down"

have fun with it ...

jeeze ... look at durallymax ... 1 pullin season and that poor duramax needs rebuilt already

and he's all

< Message edited by 650twin -- 10/8/2008 8:14:19 AM >


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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/8/2008 1:50:26 PM   
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The new body style 24v are all Common rail injected.

The older 24v are "CAPS" injected.

Common rails are easy to add power to at first but when you wanna push the envelope it gets tricky and expensive.

They do not have lift pump issues. I dont know if the CR Cummins has a lift pump or not but I know the duramax does not have one at all and snce day one it has been common rail injected and had no common problems related to having no lift pump.


Thanks thats what I thought, I'm not looking to make a pulling truck out of it and I don't tow anything more then a 79 Bronco every now and then. Just want the basics on the one that I get, programmer, cai, and exhaust of some kind (the louder the better). It will be an auto trans too so I guess I'll wind up getting a converter and shift kit too.

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/8/2008 8:14:45 PM   
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650 the Duramax and Cummins Both use the same CP3 pump from Bosch. 380hp may be draining the rail. I would say cut back the pulse width but you dont have that luxury on the cummins. Oh how I love EFI Live.

and yes I am all smiles about my new truck because the mods are free, I just have to make sure I do good, or die trying.

Its like christmas openiing all of these packages around here. But most a really expensive packages.

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/8/2008 11:00:43 PM   
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i was like a kid at christmas when i got a package worth $2700 which had a Industrial Injection VP 44 HotRod pump in it and a FASS 90gpm lift pump in it GET SPONSERS it will make your life SOOOOOOOOOO much better only thing is i have no sponsers left since i quit pullin but one and now i need a $2000 clutch ( i need to get back to the sled ) and yes durally is all like  i would be to if i knew that many goodies were covered wouldnt you?

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/9/2008 4:41:21 PM   
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i dont think you guys understand i dont want anything to do with pulls or sponsers.i am going to build a truck for the trails and pulling a trailer around plus a little street fun just looking to get around 450 to 500 horses on 37s/38s.

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/9/2008 7:40:59 PM   
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well i found a 99 24v 2500 long bed 4x4 for 8,000 today its just what i want but i think its way to much money . anyway when i seen it today the first thing that jumped into my head was a smarty programmer , air filter and 4inch turbo back exhaust .it wont be even close to my 450hp goal but i am sure i can get in the range of the high 300hundreds. so what you guys think is it worth it and what you think about my mods list? here is the link--
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=252680177&dealer_id=47135136&car_year=1999&model=RAM25002WD&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1999&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=DODGE&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=8000&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=33076&advanced=&end_year=1999&doors=&transmission=&max_price=8500&cardist=153

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/9/2008 8:21:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: 650twin

2003 thru 2005 common rails have a lift pump mounted on the filter ...

2005+ have a lift pump in the tank ...

i dyno'd 505/1032 with the following

edge drag comp=600$
stage 4 Edge jammer injectors=400$
STOCK LIFT PUMP with a big line kit=100$, have 8psi at the end of a 500hp run (one of the biggest internet misconceptions is that you need a fass or some other 700$ lift pump)

STOCK HEAD ... STOCK HEAD GASKET ... STOCK TURBO




to make it more reliable and easier for daily driving i got a

HTT HTBG (imo it's better to have a turbo on the small side than the large side, much easier for daily driving) 1000$ (at that time)

to keep it moving after I tore out 2nd gear i bought a DTT tranny 4500$

i have 80k miles on the above setup ...

STILL HAVE THE FACTORY ORGINAL HEADGASKET AND HEADBOLTS


DODGE GUYS REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING:

ANY MODS REQUIRE A PYROMETER!!!

any 24 valves REQUIRE a fuel pressure gauge!!! - yes even stone stock ones

ANY MODS REQUIRE UPGRADING THE STOCK DODGE AUTO - PAY ME NOW OR LATER ... BUT YOU WILL PAY

don't get hung up on dyno numbers ...

good freind has a great running third gen ...

it currently has a high end miss ...

we're pretty sure he's draing the rail ...

he dyno'd 380/700 ish ...

and was ready to sell the truck 'cause he didn't "lay 400 down"

have fun with it ...

jeeze ... look at durallymax ... 1 pullin season and that poor duramax needs rebuilt already

and he's all


Is that number corrected or uncorrected? What was your boost and EGT's? I have never heard of a VP44'd 24v getting past maybe 450rwhp on a stock turbo.. Not calling you a liar but I know of a '99 with jammer 5's, Comp and a modded 3rd gen HE351 and he did 499rwhp with a pegged pyro and an HE351 is pretty close to a PS62/12.

If you want a 24v for 500hp IMO you will need..

150hp injectors (maybe something a little bigger)
Edge Drag Comp (or TST/Smarty stack)
FASS, Airdog or atleast pusher pump
Either a SPS62/14 or again HX35/HT3B twins
12mm Studs

If you want to have such large tires I would do the stock HX35 as the top turbo with a ported turbine inlet and crossdrilled/enlarged wastegate passageway and use an HT3B on bottom with a 22cm or 23cm turbine housing. Or a GT42 with wastegated housing or K31 in place of the HT3B. Those setups would provide really good spool for towing and general street use.

I am infact going to sell my S465 because I want better spool for all the traffic driving I do and towing the 4wheelers around. My plan is a HE351 on top using the stock wastegate along with a 38mm external plumbed into my ported manifold and using an HT3B on bottom with a 74-77mm compressor wheel inducer and a 22-23cm turbine housing. I will also clip the turbine wheel possibly 10*-15* to help top-end choke and also have a 50mm external wastegate plumbed into the hotpipe to bypass the turbine housing on the 3B. That setup should give me great spoolup and support 600rwhp very well. I even have a camshaft I need to get around to installing!!!

This is just my opinion but I have a lot of friends with Cummins and I have worked on quite a few

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/9/2008 9:19:01 PM   
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ya i hear you . cant find many 12v 4x4 right now.i also am not looking to spend 8,000 plus on a truck looking more in the 4,000 to 5,000 range . the 2wd 12v is starting to sound really good right now. can you list a list of mods i would have to do in order to get 500hp out of the 12v and some prices? i know a good bit on what i want to do just like to hear what other people would do in my place . my main goal is to have my mods list under 4,500. i guess i should say its more of a budget build trying to get some serious speed and numbers a little smoke dont hurt either.

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/9/2008 10:05:58 PM   
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Unless you buy a 24v Common Rail you won't touch 400hp with just a programmer. The "biggest" programmer you can buy for a '98.5-'02 24v is the TST Comp. rated at 160hp which still wouldn't put it at 400hp even at the flywheel.

To get 400hp from a 24v you will need a TST Comp, Timing box (Smarty, Edge EZ, Diablo PowerPuck) and an injector upgrade of ATLEAST RV275's but something a bit bigger would make it more likely to happen.

Along with those mods would be a pusher pump to the stock lift pump or a full replacement.

With any of them you WILL need gauges to monitor EGT, Boost, and Fuel Press. once you start modifying them for more power.

The simplest way to get 500rwhp from a Cummins would be a 12v with:

AFC Modified for full travel ~Free
#100 or #10 plate (#100 has harder fueling on top) ~ Free
435 Injectors ~ $350-450
18*-20* timing ~$200 to have done or build your own timing set to diy
4GSK or modified 3GSK ~ $120 for PDR's or about $200 for Columbus Diesel Supply's
Fresh headgasket with 12mm ARP or A1 studs ~ $120 for gasket and $300-340 for studs (used or new)
4" exhaust ~ About $250 on E-bay
HD Clutch (ValAir is my choice) ~ $550 for a 550hp/1000lb ft single disk or about $2400 dual disk with billet input shaft
and either a SPS62/14 *OR* HX35 and HT3B twins ~ $1250 for SPS62 or about $2000 for piping and bottom turbo.

That should provide a solid 500-550rwhp that can still tow, daily drive etc with very minimal turbo "lag"


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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/10/2008 11:53:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Muddin_dude05
Is that number corrected or uncorrected? What was your boost and EGT's? I have never heard of a VP44'd 24v getting past maybe 450rwhp on a stock turbo.. Not calling you a liar but I know of a '99 with jammer 5's, Comp and a modded 3rd gen HE351 and he did 499rwhp with a pegged pyro and an HE351 is pretty close to a PS62/12. 


uncorrected

Dave Dunbars dyno three years ago when he was at Reedsville WV



WIFE JUST CORRECTED ME - I HAD A J.R. ADKINS HX-55 HYBRID ON BY THAT TIME - i have a mental block about that dam turbo - i hated that thing
I did 462 with the stock HY ... Yup HY ... was running durallymax temps though



guy on TDR that goes by the handle Briar Hopper on TDR (i won't use real names on the net)  owned Black Mountain Diesel out of Kentucky and was the guy who installed my DTT, dyno'd 550 on the stock HX-35

good friend who goes by EzPICKENS on TDR dyno'd 450/900 ish (forget the actual numbers) at fall brawl 2 years ago, before he blew through his stock clutch (motor still had a ways to go but the stock clutch didn't) with a stock HX-35

these are dyno runs with lots of back pressure and heat  ... but for 15 seconds on a dyno you're allright 

if you've ever been to many dyno runs it's actually pretty easy to DYNO (not pull a trailer, sled pull or drag race) with a small turbo ...

and a HE351 lacks a lot on the hot side when compaired to a Phat Shaft 62 ...

and i also stated above that i bought the HTBG and DTT to make it more live-able

< Message edited by 650twin -- 10/10/2008 1:03:40 PM >


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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/10/2008 8:06:25 PM   
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^^^ good point, setting a truck up for dynos is a lot different than pulling or racing.

Look at nasty girl, 1000+hp but only 11 second quarter mile times.

Or look at chris werner, 1200+hp but cant pull a sled to save his life when you consider the power he has.

its not about power, more setup and driver skill.

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/10/2008 9:47:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: durallymax

^^^ good point, setting a truck up for dynos is a lot different than pulling or racing.

Look at nasty girl, 1000+hp but only 11 second quarter mile times.

Or look at chris werner, 1200+hp but cant pull a sled to save his life when you consider the power he has.

its not about power, more setup and driver skill.



this is very true i know you want a truck to do like i do mine now i dont really pull anymore (but will hook to any sled when i have a chance) but good to go fast pull anything make decent dyno numbers and one that you can go beat up on and drive it back to the house but that is not really that bad on that 24v for 8k only thing that would worry me would be the 5spd trans they do take some work to make them hold over 450 good heck i took out a 6spd with 450hp so regardless of what you get/do make sure you read everything you can get your hands on and set everything up accordingly

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DynaJet jet kit
Pro Flow
K&N
Bayou Snorkels trans and air box
4 easily broken Monkey's
Radiator Relocated
Shes always down but never OUT

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Triple clamps
Renthal bars

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/11/2008 10:11:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 650twin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Muddin_dude05
Is that number corrected or uncorrected? What was your boost and EGT's? I have never heard of a VP44'd 24v getting past maybe 450rwhp on a stock turbo.. Not calling you a liar but I know of a '99 with jammer 5's, Comp and a modded 3rd gen HE351 and he did 499rwhp with a pegged pyro and an HE351 is pretty close to a PS62/12. 


uncorrected

Dave Dunbars dyno three years ago when he was at Reedsville WV



WIFE JUST CORRECTED ME - I HAD A J.R. ADKINS HX-55 HYBRID ON BY THAT TIME - i have a mental block about that dam turbo - i hated that thing
I did 462 with the stock HY ... Yup HY ... was running durallymax temps though



guy on TDR that goes by the handle Briar Hopper on TDR (i won't use real names on the net)  owned Black Mountain Diesel out of Kentucky and was the guy who installed my DTT, dyno'd 550 on the stock HX-35

good friend who goes by EzPICKENS on TDR dyno'd 450/900 ish (forget the actual numbers) at fall brawl 2 years ago, before he blew through his stock clutch (motor still had a ways to go but the stock clutch didn't) with a stock HX-35

these are dyno runs with lots of back pressure and heat  ... but for 15 seconds on a dyno you're allright 

if you've ever been to many dyno runs it's actually pretty easy to DYNO (not pull a trailer, sled pull or drag race) with a small turbo ...

and a HE351 lacks a lot on the hot side when compaired to a Phat Shaft 62 ...

and i also stated above that i bought the HTBG and DTT to make it more live-able


Having that much power on the stock turbo is not a great thing, good on a dyno but the EGT's on the steet get way to hot. When my power was at about 450rwhp on a modded HX35 I HAD to be in valet while towing heavy or my temps were extremely out of control.

When you say stock are you talking about unmodified wastegate, non ported stock turbine housing? Or do you mean larger turbine housing/extremely big external wastegate? I know of a couple people who have done right at 500rwhp but that was while using 21cm tubine housings and/or external wastegates, not a great setup for driving on the street IMO.

Your right it is easy to dyno with an undersized charger and get good numbers, its easier for them to light on the chassis dyno because they require less load to get past boost threshold. On the dyno it might seem perfect (persay) but it could be way too small for what you want the truck to do.

I still say to get a reliable and USEABLE 500-550rwhp either builds I mentioned would be a better route to take than trying to max out a stock charger My .02

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/11/2008 10:17:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Swamp Star

quote:

ORIGINAL: durallymax

^^^ good point, setting a truck up for dynos is a lot different than pulling or racing.

Look at nasty girl, 1000+hp but only 11 second quarter mile times.

Or look at chris werner, 1200+hp but cant pull a sled to save his life when you consider the power he has.

its not about power, more setup and driver skill.



this is very true i know you want a truck to do like i do mine now i dont really pull anymore (but will hook to any sled when i have a chance) but good to go fast pull anything make decent dyno numbers and one that you can go beat up on and drive it back to the house but that is not really that bad on that 24v for 8k only thing that would worry me would be the 5spd trans they do take some work to make them hold over 450 good heck i took out a 6spd with 450hp so regardless of what you get/do make sure you read everything you can get your hands on and set everything up accordingly


Its always good to have a reserve fund in the bank also for truck fixin's, one day I noticed a slight ticking noise while downshifting to deccelerate and then the next day I stripped 1/3rd of the gears off of my (I think) 3rd gear assembly. I had to have it rebuilt and $1400 later was back on the road. The shaft/gear assembly I broke was supposedly a $600-700 piece just by itself

Also when pushin high HP headgaskets can become pushed past the limit and give out on you, thats why I suggest studs and a fresh gasket and if possible O-ring or firerings are a big plus. When mine busted I asn't loosing coolant but instead oil and in a calm 45 minute drive home I lost close to a gallon. Then $1200 later I had my fully ported, polished, bigger valved, and fireringed head ready to go

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/11/2008 5:17:06 PM   
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Then $1200 later I had my fully ported, polished, bigger valved, and fireringed head ready to go


I hate you

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/11/2008 9:13:04 PM   
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i hear you on the head studs and head gasket i got to get a new head gasket and going to put in some arp head studs after thanksgiving. i seen a feww trucks this weekend nothing that has really caught my eye so i am going to take my time and find the perfect truck to me .

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/11/2008 9:34:44 PM   
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chris werner put down 1458 btw!!!

Nasty girl went 10.3 and still have 2 of 5 tunes to go. Allison wouldnt hold the power!! So on level 3 he went that. Said truck should of went 9s!!!!

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/12/2008 12:35:15 AM   
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Man I just got back from the DHRA Nationals in Baytown, it was a good show but last year and the year before there were a lot more people?? Definately makes me have some ideas for my truck...

Dmax, unfortunately it took a long time to get it all done because I ported out my stock head and when I took it to get worked over it failed the pressure test. So I had to get another one and I ported it out myself, I got a pretty nice reduction in smoke, EGT's and increased spoolup and I wasn't able to put it on a flow bench...

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/12/2008 1:26:04 PM   
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i really need to find time to start keeping updated on this things.

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/12/2008 9:37:00 PM   
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i really need to find time to start keeping updated on this things.



i know what you mean on that if you dont get all the diesel mags every months and stay on top of everything you miss out on all kind of new goodies i dont even like to look anymore at what all is out there now (if i had a big money tree why not) but yeah you can fall behind on everything really quick now days i remeber when i had my 97 PSD it had the baddest of the bad parts on it and dyno'd at 457hp (w/o a intercooler) and everything that was on it was experimental parts but it was the badest old stroke anybody had everscene 6yrs ago and now it would be like a honda compared to what some people have these days

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RE: 24v or 12v cummins - 10/12/2008 10:41:47 PM   
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The magazines are always wayy behind too as far as how current the info is. I find them kinda boring now since I will have a built twin everything motor.

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