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bowers_renegade -> starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 4:24:51 PM)

anyone have any suggestions on my problem? flip my gade as  i have read i did everything as in didnt try to start it took it straight to the shop drained it no water in cylinders was lil in oil! drained it couple of times! got it cleaned then had another problem when i hit the start button all i get it cylinoid clickin along with my relay in front! so before i went to pick up cylinoid changed relay did say thing! just seeing if anyone has had any like problems or had any suggestions for me? i would appreciate it!



psycho ward -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 4:34:01 PM)

Try tightening your batt connections, or charging the batt.



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 4:40:14 PM)

1) elementary school grammar class would help, as well as spell check.
2) check the battery connections and the connections on the starter solenoid in the back.
3) check the voltage at the solenoid and starter when someone hits the start button.



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 6:16:40 PM)

hey guys appreciate the immediate response sorry about the spelling just have been aggrivated all day and kinda in hurry! but yes i have checked all my connections and everything is tight and have checked all my fuses in front fuse box along with the back fuse box everything seemed to be fine! i did check the solenoid and it has 12 volts on positive side and nothing on negative side until i hit the start and then it goes to no volts! like i say it is clickin on both the  solenoid and in the front fuse box so just trying to check all options before i go through the process of trying to get a solenoid bc my dealership has horrible horrible service and ordering time! but like i said everything is tight and getting juice everywhere but it is still clicking anymore suggestions what it may be? solenoid? appreciate yall trying to help me!



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 7:05:40 PM)

so when you try to start it the positive side on the solenoid drops to zero volts?  that sounds like something is grounding out after it, or it is grounding out.  i wouldn't try to start it if that is happening, you'll fry the post of the battery and end up killing the battery.  when you tried starting it and the solenoid was clicking, did you happen to feel the wire going to the positive side of the solenoid?  if something is grounding out, the wire will get warm/hot.  disconnect the wire going to the starter and see what happens with the voltage on the hot side of the solenoid and on the output side.



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 8:47:40 PM)

hey buddy im not at the shop right now but something that was strange to me earlier when i was over there messing with the renegade you should be able to jump the solenoid with a screw driver and it should turn over right? or thought it would do something? well i was not getting anything when i touched the two together! sorry like i said i am not at the shop i am just sitting here with thoughts running through my head just seeing what you input would be on that! like you say something may be grounded out bc i have never heard of it not atleast puttin out a spark when you touch screw driver between the two . . .



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/6/2008 10:09:00 PM)

if you are reading 12 volts on the hot side of the solenoid and when you jump the posts with a screwdriver (that has the same effect as hitting the starter button) and nothing happens, not even a spark, i'd say that its probably not grounding out, but the starter may be shot.  it can be a pain to remove, but i removed and reinstalled the one on my buddy's renegade in about an hour and a half.  check the wire going to the starter.  if it is in place and doesn't look damaged, start taking voltage measurements.  then remove it and take the measurements again.



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 12:04:36 PM)

hey buddy i did what you said i went and took some different measurements and i was gettin 12.4 at the battery and at the solenoid until i hit the start button then it was going down to nothing 0 on volt meter! so i did as you said i took off the wires going to starter!(if they were the two wires at the top and bottom for solenoid that just plugged in) when i disconnected those wires i was getting my 12.4 reading again it didnt change when i hit the start button! so im guessin that the starter is bad? like i said its not makin a noise or anything so i just figured it was stuck or something! does that make any sense to you buddy?



matprice -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 12:45:20 PM)

i am pretty good with can am electrical problems. But for the life of me, I just can not understand what your typing at all. I am not trying to be an A$$ i am the worlds worst for spelling and grammar, but i just can't follow your post. Feel Free to call me though man 228 222 0744, and lets see if we can get this thing figured out. Unless wake your having any better luck following it?  



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 1:38:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: matprice

i am pretty good with can am electrical problems. But for the life of me, I just can not understand what your typing at all. I am not trying to be an A$$ i am the worlds worst for spelling and grammar, but i just can't follow your post. Feel Free to call me though man 228 222 0744, and lets see if we can get this thing figured out. Unless wake your having any better luck following it?  



i'm sorting through what i can [:D]  my experience comes from automotive electronics, so most of it translates over well, but i might be a bit off on some things, so please correct me if that happens [;)]



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 1:46:20 PM)

the small wires with slip on terminals do not go to the starter.  they are what activates the solenoid.

on my outlander, the large post on the right is the 12 volt line coming from the battery.  the large one on the left goes to the starter.  i'm assuming the renegade is the same, but double check to be sure.  if when the key is off the right side shows 12 volts, then its the same.  remove the large wire from the left post and measure the left side and see what it shows.  it should be zero.  then have someone turn on the renegade and hit the starter button.  the left side should read 12 volts when the starter button is pushed.  if it does not, and you don't hear it clicking, then there's a good chance the solenoid is bad.  if it reads 12 volts, then the starter may be shot.



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 3:05:20 PM)

yea buddy outty and renegade are just alike but let me run over there real quick and see what i come up with



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 3:24:03 PM)

hey buddy i ran that test like you said i took the wire to the starter off on the left side i was not gettin anything when i hit the starter button so i am guessing that it is the solenoid! i am gonna try to replace that first and see if that will help out my problem bc when i actually ran the test right as you insisted like i said it came out where i wasnt getting any volts on that left side that runs to the starter! man i appreciate all your help i have been back and forth from the shop and this computer trying to figure it out like i said i really appreciate you being patient with me!



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 3:40:55 PM)

what i'm still wondering about is that if you jumped the two large posts with a screwdriver, the motor should have turned over, even if the solenoid was bad.



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 4:25:46 PM)

yea but it did absolutely nothing and like i said when i ran the test like you said i wasnt gettin anything absolutely no voltage on the starter side of the solenoid! i was getting the click in the solenoid but i wasnt getting the voltage! anymore ideas? o yea and nothing looked wrong with the wires! everything look in tack and no burn marks on any of the wiring!



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 4:34:23 PM)

so the solenoid is activating (clicking), but its not showing any voltage on the starter side of it?  that is really odd.  just for kicks and grins (be careful when you do this), disconnect the wire from the left side of the solenoid that goes to the starter, turn on the key, and use a jumper cable to touch the wire going to the starter to the positive side of the solenoid.



Superchunk5000 -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 5:03:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: got wake?

so the solenoid is activating (clicking), but its not showing any voltage on the starter side of it?  that is really odd.  just for kicks and grins (be careful when you do this), disconnect the wire from the left side of the solenoid that goes to the starter, turn on the key, and use a jumper cable to touch the wire going to the starter to the positive side of the solenoid.


Brian - remember when Robbie sank mine that day?  Just reading this makes me think the motor is hydro-locked.  We were having the same problems with mine that time.  If you don't remember, it was the time at moose pond when we tried to jump & bypass it, but you ended up towing it back.  Just a thought...



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 5:16:05 PM)

reading pwn'd you [:'(]  read his first post.  he says no water in cylinders.  plus your's would try to start a little.


a really dumb thought just popped into my head, is the engine switch on the handlebar set to run?



BuLLg0d -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 5:19:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: got wake?

reading pwn'd you [:'(]  read his first post.  he says no water in cylinders.  plus your's would try to start a little.


a really dumb thought just popped into my head, is the engine switch on the handlebar set to run?
Thats by far not a dunmb thought. I cant tell you how many times ive seen ppl pulling there hair out and teh start switch was off teh hole time. Heck ive done it myself.



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 5:46:04 PM)

hey buddy i did like i said i went and tried to jump it from the hot side of the solenoid to the wire that is going to the starter! and it didnt spark try to turn over or nothing with the kep on! so i also tried to hit the starter switch and it clicked like it has been doing but still i didnt get anything no spark no turn over no nothing! i figured i would get a little something out of it doin it that away atleast a spark but like i said i didnt get anything!?



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 5:47:27 PM)

and yes the starter switch is on also! i checked that first



matprice -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 6:05:52 PM)

yeah if the switch was set to off it would not click... are you sure you have no water in the cylinders? you pulled the plugs out and turned the motor over and checked ? do you have power to your dash? are you 100% certain that your battery is charged... are you 100% certain that you have the correct key, its not dirty and that your not putting it in upside down? is the fuel pump priming and are you getting a check engine light? cause this realllllyyyy sounds like a loose neg battery terminal.... if he jumped the solenoid and it did nothing and he has no power to the starter something aint juicing where it should be juicing. your certain the fuses in the rear are good?



got wake? -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 6:21:09 PM)

even if the key was wrong or dirty, jumping the terminals should turn the motor over, or at least try to.  darn electrical issues are a PITA to diagnose over the internet [:@]



matprice -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 6:28:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: got wake?

even if the key was wrong or dirty, jumping the terminals should turn the motor over, or at least try to.  darn electrical issues are a PITA to diagnose over the internet [:@]

yep your right there.. also just for one to stick in your toolbox wake it will turn over if you jump the solenoid with a blown main relay also. so check me on this man

he has no power @ the starter, or starter side of the solenoid, but does have power on the battery side. he jumps the solenoid and it does nothing... something isn't right. he aint jumping it correctly or the battery is dead bad terminals and you told him to jump the solenoid and test for power at the starter right?



matprice -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 6:33:09 PM)

am i understanding this right you put the test light or meter on the positive side of the solenoid and when you hit the starter it drops to 0? if that is the case you have either a dead battery, a loose cable or a short in the one of the battery wires thats pretty much all it can be if what i said was correct because that wire come right off the battery to solenoid



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 6:44:57 PM)

hey guys i appreciate yall trying to help me out and yes it is hard to diagnose over the internet but yall are helping i promise! yes the key is in right only have one key and checked the battery it has 12.4 volts! i have checked the solenoid it has 12.4 volts until i hit the starter button! then it goes to 0 volts! so i took off the starter wire and checked the solenoid again it didnt give me 12.4 volts on the starter side!  so then i tried to jumper cable from the battery side of solenoid to power side of solenoid and once again i didnt get anything! i am gettin the click of the solenoid when i hit the button but not gettin any fire it shows 0 volts!  so then i went to the starter just to see but obviously i am not gettin anything to my starter also got 0 volts! like i said i am not getting anything when i try to jump the solenoid not even a spark! but then when i hit the positive side to the frame i get a spark but nothing headed to the bike itself just a spark! so 1st thing is the solenoid right? then maybe bad wire to the starter?



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 6:47:49 PM)

yes sir have power to dash and everything else and like i said my battery is showing 12.4 volts on the volt meter!



matprice -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 7:06:36 PM)

if you hit the starter and the power drops to 0 on the battery side on the solenoid the problem is with the battery that wire should NEVER show 0 volts unless your battery is dead or a cable is loose check the frame ground wire.... do me a favor put your meter on the + battery terminal and hit the starter and tell me what happens



matprice -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 7:07:40 PM)

btw where do u live ?



bowers_renegade -> RE: starting problems on renegade (9/7/2008 7:20:39 PM)

alright buddy i did what  you asked i went and put my volt meter on my battery and it was showing 12.4 volts and i hit the starter button and it stayed 12.4 volts absolutely no change! i actually charged my wire that goes to the starter just to make sure that it was not grounded out and sent 12 volts by hookin up jumper cables to positive side of battery to that wire that goes to the starter and then checked the wire at the starter and it was showing 12.4 volts so that wasnt the problem and using that as a hot i checked all my ground wires by touching the metal on the ground wire end while had my positive on my battery making sure all my grounds are good and they all checked out! i just am not gettin any power past my solenoid! so guessing it is bad?



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