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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 4:20:22 AM

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I love my cat, I am looking at getting a bigger atv though.
The only other 2 brands i would look at besides cat is yamaha and suzuki.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 6:02:23 AM

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Opinions are like a$$ holes everybody has one

I went to 650 can am from 450 foreman (my son went to a 800 can am from 450 foreman) and couldn't be happier. My very limited experince with the AC have not been good. Which ever brand you decide on, make sure you pick a dealer with a good service deoartment.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 9:13:16 AM

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I don't see how you can even compare the two. The 650 can-am will dominate the arctic cat 650 or 700 in all performance based areas other than ground clearance. In a drag, the only Arctic Cat it won't beat is a T-cat. But drags are not all that matter.

To prove my point, I won the 2008 Mud Nationals Mudacross on a 650 can-am max with snorkels, a dalton clutch kit, and 28' outlaws. That included racing against other 800 can-ams, 750 brutes, 950 T-Cats, etc. Granted there is alot of luck involved in mud racing, the 650 can-am is no slouch and is a contender with whatever it lines up against and current production bike regardless of cc's. I don't think you can say that with anything less than a T-Cat from Arctic Cat. We have won many mudacross and mud bogs with the 650 in the bigger classes.

I do like the T-Cat, but I think thats the only Arctic Cat I would consider purchasing. The T-Cat has lots of potential.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 9:18:52 AM

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 9:19:16 AM

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So, you got lucky?

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 10:04:55 AM

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So, you got lucky?

That's what I was thinking too!

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 10:07:28 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 8upwithmud

So, you got lucky?

That's what I was thinking too!

that's what i got out of it too lmao! besides, is everything a race?

lol! he said "The 650 can-am will dominate the arctic cat 650 or 700 in all performance based areas other than ground clearance." hahaha! hams are nice & very expensive bikes no doubt but really, dominate? ground clearance is everyhing buddy & btw, define "performance based". "You can either get the best or be the 1st loser, your choice...
"i think there are a few brutes & grizz's tha will disagree w/that statement as well.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 10:12:41 AM

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Yup, 100% luck. Just like you two were lucky enough not be lined up next to the lil 650 can-am... LOL!

ITS ALL GOOD!!

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 11:03:06 AM

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When did everything start being compared to Mud racing? I dont know of many people that buy a bike to win Muddacrosses and mudbogs..... There are people that do but its a small precentage.

I agree If all you want to do is be good in a Mudbogs and Muddacross buy a can-am they are good at it.

Now if you out on the trials then I would go with the Cat. More Ground clearance, better clutch, lower gearing, better 4x4 system.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 11:16:11 AM

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Thats kinda what I was thinking. I know a couple guys that went out and bought can ams, they both said they'd rather be on cats for mud and trail riding. As far as racing goes they're great. I'd just rather be on a cat for the type of riding that we do.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 11:24:04 AM

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Everyone will always more then lickly pick the brand they drive. I'm no different Can-Am

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But really, Have you thought about a used quad. I know the Mud Pro you need to buy new but the Can-Am's have been out for a few years now. Try pricing out a nice used low mile Can-Am 650 or 800 you would save a lot coin for mods.

bty, I run 29.5x12's all the way around with the Dalton clutch kit, and using the same stock belt for 2 years now. Just had the quad serviced and the belt is still well with in spec.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 11:34:42 AM

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I love these threads.

Mudracer has a good point. Anyone who is buying a bike for mudbog racing isn't going to start a thread asking which bike to get. He knows what he wants, and what he's gonna do to it when he gets it.

And btw, I have only rode with 2 Can-ams. A 650 max, and an Outy 800. I outran both, and pulled them both out. But mine did break first.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 12:01:47 PM

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quote:

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I don't think he's buying one like that, and thats a V-TWIN that doesn't have any low end torque LOL! Those that own V-twins know the truth. Those that own cingle cylinders just make excuses.

In reality, nobody on here really cares what bike you do decide to buy. They don't have to ride it or make the payments. You need to spend as much time on the seat of whatever you are looking at and make your own educated decision based on your personal preference and riding style. Again, best of luck and don't rush into a purchase.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 12:13:25 PM

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quote:

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I don't think he's buying one like that, and thats a V-TWIN that doesn't have any low end torque LOL! Those that own V-twins know the truth. Those that own cingle cylinders just make excuses.

In reality, nobody on here really cares what bike you do decide to buy. They don't have to ride it or make the payments. You need to spend as much time on the seat of whatever you are looking at and make your own educated decision based on your personal preference and riding style. Again, best of luck and don't rush into a purchase.

I love my twin!!!!

ITs not that the H1's have more torque its just a diffrent kind of torque then a Twin.... Its more like a Tractor/diesel type torque instead of a muslce car torque. I can honestly say from pulling a trialer with my bike and the same one with a H1 that the H1 has way more pulling torque then my Kawi twin. Alot of that can also be contributed to the 2 diffrent clutch setups aswell.

I agree with you 100%..... the more time you can spend on each bike the better off you will be. No one know more about what you want then you.

Wich brings up another question...... What all are you expecting your wheeler to do for you? What kind of riding style do you do the most and prefer, and do you have a nice picture of a pretty girl in a bikini you could post so we can furthur asist you in your quest for a new wheeler

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 12:16:07 PM

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I no really is everything a god darn race ??? Well if its a race your deff losing in gc wise .....I mean there is no real place where i ride where speed is needed you may get there faster than me but i will still follow you ..Plus i want a real locker , low gearing and g/c and fender room and can am dont offer me that plain and simple . What dont you love about just bolting 29.5s or 31s and going mudding with no mods ??? and Plus you can mod a cat pretty high for cheaper than a 650 and 800 new or used . Its just my opinion if it felt i was bashing im not just stating the facts really .

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 12:28:37 PM

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I don't see how you can even compare the two. The 650 can-am will dominate the arctic cat 650 or 700 in all performance based areas other than ground clearance. In a drag, the only Arctic Cat it won't beat is a T-cat. But drags are not all that matter.

i just cant leave it alone. only place it will "dominate" a 650 or 700 is in a drag race or water bog race. other wise that statement is far from true.

WOT power is not the only thing that is important while out on the trails. you have to have a good combination of everything.

just my opinion ..

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 12:42:45 PM

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RIDING ANYTHING OTHER THAN CAN-AM??? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT...

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 12:58:03 PM

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How many cats have you owned?

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 1:21:09 PM

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You don't have to own one when a family member had a dealership and 12 AC's on the farm. They got out of the business last year when the T-Cats came out so I have not spent any time on that particular model. The rest, yes. All of there there bikes are used to pen cattle on 4000+ acres, the same thing I put my brute 650i through before I bought my Can-am 650. Very good test of reliablity and performance when you are chasing 800lbs calves through the woods, down the creeks, and across fences. Its the wild ones that really put you and your bike to the test. Its a full contact sport. I have been around AC's since they first came out back in the day when the "AC 454" was a beast!

So no I don't own an arctic cat but yes I have spent more time on and around arctic cats than 95% of the guys on this forum.

I think AC has done a great job redesigning with the T-Cat. They are definitely moving in the right direction but I think they are still behind the Can-am. If Can-am doesn't step up to the plate, then they well be behind whoever takes a bold move above and beyond our today's production bikes. I will not own a polaris unless it is a RAZR! LOL! (had to throw that in there!)

Travis Tucker and the rest of the Steel Horses team are proving that the AC's can be tough competition on the mud racing sport as well. I think they are really dialing in on the potential of the T-cat and it will be a beast of a bike when they get everything lined out and working to their liking.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 1:33:01 PM

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what 007BF really wants us to say is "if you get a ham good luck" lol! c'mon dude, get off the soap box.where i ride, the moment you burst into that "hair-raising speed" ur gonna have to slow down real quick to avoid a tree, hole, or drop-off. no bike is the best at everything for every rider. btw, what happens when you go to fast in water? the front rolls back. so much for all that speed then. you shoulda bought a sport bike if going fast is all that matters. i've seen on w/ski's on the front dominate a pit once

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 5:21:30 PM

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007BF is not trying to bash here, it is really frustrating for people that are not brand loyal when guys just cannot see that what they ride is not perfect at everything, and Arctic Cat fans seem to be the worst.

But, the simple fact is, the only thing the cat will keep up with a can-am in is slow muddy trails. There is nothing wrong with that at all, so don't think I am bashing, for the guys that ride Crosby and those places all the time they are the perfect bike. But, if you ever want to get on the trail and roll at breakneck speeds the cat is no fun at all. They are great bikes for throwing big tires on and going mud riding, in my experience they have alot of driveline problems which is something the can-ams are not notorious for. Also, I can guaruntee you that a can-am can be a reliable bike and it can hang with the cats in the mud, our bikes are more than just race only, they get ran hard on the trails as well. Everything I have said here is directed toward the single cylinder AC's, I do not have enough experience with the thundercats to give any opinions on them as of yet.

But, I do have a "LITTLE 800", that I will run against any t-cat on here.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 5:37:34 PM

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Cat guys are the worst.. you better read some of the post you can-am guys have made. Ive rode a can-am 800 and rode with one. there great bikes and there ****. ive rode with a can-am with a 2inch lift and 29.5's and i was on my little 28's and i went MORE places then him. i wouldnt own a can-am unless i was mud racing. because there made for full throttle riding. and even the owner of the can-am im talking about said the same thing.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 5:41:14 PM

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Cat guys are the worst.. you better read some of the post you can-am guys have made. Ive rode a can-am 800 and rode with one. there great bikes and there ****. ive rode with a can-am with a 2inch lift and 29.5's and i was on my little 28's and i went MORE places then him. i wouldnt own a can-am unless i was mud racing. because there made for full throttle riding. and even the owner of the can-am im talking about said the same thing.

Yea sort of what i said up top what i posted ....They just dont offer what cat has for me

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 5:47:04 PM

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So you run trails faster than 55 mph. Thats just not safe. My single cylinder cat hauls @ss to 55 and thats all she's geared for. Granted it doesn't get there as fast as a tcat, but its no slouch. I guarantee it will hang with any utility bike on the trails we ride. I've seen posts in every forum, all bikes have their problems. I don't have a problem with any other brand. I chose cat b/c it was the bike that fit me best.

And as soon as the mods you have are available for the TC you won't be outrunning them long.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 5:59:27 PM

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Dont think anyone said the AC was the perfect quad for him by anymeans. Just thought him saying that the Can am would dominate over the AC was alittle on the crazy side ( you think) .

"But, the simple fact is, the only thing the cat will keep up with a can-am in is slow muddy trails"

see thats the funny part right there, you come in here and tell "us" we think we have a quad that will do it all (and know one said that) and then you tell us yours does it all way better..LOL PLEASE

then you tell us how our bikes have weak drive trains but yours dont.. oh and your not bashing

So lets some this up, your quad is better at everything (so you say) and ours is only good at slow muddy trails..LOL

Its not that i really care i just dont like to be told my stuff is junk or can only handle "slow muddy trail" when i know this is incorrect. i even give up the fact that yours is way fast (duh) and never said mine was way better, but your silly to think mine is only good for slow muddy trails.

wish you guys did not live so far away you could come ride where i ride and you would see at the end of the day that you never left me anywhere period.

anyway Iam done with this post.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 6:05:23 PM

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Well said.

They don't live too far to ride with me.

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RE: outlander 650 vs mudpro - 8/21/2008 6:06:58 PM

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no bashing? whats wrong w/single cylinders? i had almost got the H2 but prefer the torquiness of singles so i got a 700H1. besides, i hardly ever go over 30mph. so wha would all that top end mean to me? nothing. maybe the guy that came here to ask us cat riders what we thot feels the same way but wondered if others felt that way too. i'll take ur bike & outpull it any day. not everyone rides like they're racing. i'm more of a technical rider which means more alertness & slower speed. from my experience & what i've seen, speed is the last thing anyone wants when technical riding. not visco-lock like the hams got. cat offers true 4x4 action. not some gimmicky sounding dangerous 4 wheel engagement like the hams. you like ur bike, that's good. we love ours. don't for get that the 700H1 dominated WPSA last year. the new ride-in might surprise you. very racy. not like what litle you think you know about A.C.

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