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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/20/2008 6:52:13 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/20/2008 7:13:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I was goofing of on the net today, and found a place that sells stock axles. It's a Yamaha dealership, somewhere. Anyway, stockers for an '04 Rhino were like $345. For $20 more, I can get 'Rillas. So, I guess I'll try the Apes whenever I need another axle. For the money, I'll be better off. Anybody running apes on a stock suspension bike? I figure they should last forever on a non-lifted, trail ridden Rhino, with just a Dynatek CDI and a UNI filter, 26" Mud Bugs on 212s, and a removed swaybar.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/20/2008 7:57:15 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/25/2008 3:51:40 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/25/2008 4:01:18 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 9:24:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Guys! This is unfair. We offer great quality products well below the cost of o.e.. We sell thousands of these without any problems (read my Ebay feedbacks and I think you'll see what I mean). We do specify up front that these parts are not meant to be used on lifted vehicles! Yet, as I read over the responses to this post most of the vehicles listed have at least a 2" lift (spacers count as lifted). Including the guy who's complaining! Please don't let a few bad apples spoil it for the whole bunch. You can buy from us with confidence and know that we're not new at this and we would have been doing it this long if what this guy is saying were the case. I have been in the cv axle business for over 16 years and have saved many ATV riders big money on every sale. The problem is this, when you lift the bike several things can happen:
  1. You increase the distance between the differential and the wheel hub: The inner cv joint in most cases is made to move in and out only about 3/4" as the suspension goes up and down. When you increase the distance you bring the ball, cage & race further out in the inner cv joint housing. This will cause them to hit against the "c" clip that is there to keep the joint from coming apart during shipping or while installation or removal. THIS WILL CAUSE SOMETHING TO GIVE!
  2. You increase the angle of operation: 
a)This will cause the shaft to rub against the rim of the inner cv joint. You'll know this has happened when you hear the clicking as it passes each of the six ball tracks. Or if you remove the joint you'll see that the shaft will have scaring where the joint had been rubbing. This will also show signs on the rim of the inner joint and in most cases will literally crimp the clip into the grove that it rest in and you'll have to chisel it out to remove the inner joint from the shaft. (this is why we ask that you send the inner cv joint back when making a warranty claim)

b) When the a-arm drops down (i.e. while the bike leaves the ground). The inner cage is cocked at a very steep angle. Then when hit the ground with a hard force the ball, cage and race need to slide back into the inner cv joint cup. However, with the cage (the part that has 6 windows that the balls ride in) is at this extreme angle it will cause the joint to bind. Then when the shaft comes in it's equivalent to breaking a twig over your knee. 

As for the shaft materials. We use top grade 4140 steel on all of the atv axle bars and 4340 chrome molly steel where we've encountered breakage issues with the o.e. bars. The picture listed shows in great detail the case hardening of the metal is well beyond the .0065 Rockwell hardening the is the o.e. spec for the shafts. The soft looking material in the center is normal for cold formed steel. I have Metallurgical reports if any one would like debate this. I feel we do an outstanding job of delivery the quality products that we distribute and our return policy is very reasonable considering that most parts sold for off road and high performance use offer no warranty at all. So any one having doubt as to our company or our products and service should certainly dig deeper than a web site devoted to people with lifted vehicles for references. If you have any questions or concerns you can always call me personally at CONTACT INFORMATION IS NOT ALLOWED I look forward to hearing from you.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 9:37:06 AM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 9:37:43 AM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 10:00:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		BuLLg0d I agree but for people who cant get a deal on them or dont have the money to go buy all for of them it would be nice to see something comparable for a lil less money.....

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 10:16:17 AM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 10:39:41 AM   
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BuLLg0d I agree but for people who cant get a deal on them or dont have the money to go buy all for of them it would be nice to see something comparable for a lil less money.....
I agree but my dad always taught me that you get what you pay for. Heck you can run a 2" with stock axles but you cant with an axle that is suppose to be built better than stock. Doesnt make much sense to be unless its an inferior product. It may cost more for gorilas but there gonna save you some headache down the road with customer service and a all around better product.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 11:00:49 AM   
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Yet, as I read over the responses to this post most of the vehicles listed have at least a 2" lift (spacers count as lifted). Including the guy who's complaining!


I, for one, would like to hear your explanation on how you justify saying spring spacers are the same as being lifted.





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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 11:03:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		They dont, there is no way he can say that a spring spacer can count as a lift becuase they do not lift it beyond the stock limit of the shocks, they just keep the shocks maxed out is all.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 11:21:51 AM   
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They dont, there is no way he can say that a spring spacer can count as a lift becuase they do not lift it beyond the stock limit of the shocks, they just keep the shocks maxed out is all.


Exactly my thoughts.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 11:35:32 AM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 1:34:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dont miss understand me I am not dogging Gorila cause I dont think anyone else has stepped up to there quality except maybe Turner, (I just have not been around Turners axels) I just think they have the monopoly right now and I would love to see some one give them a run for there money sort of like we have with all the different brands of lift kits out there. There are some that are WAY better than others, but overall it has made the prices stay decent. Well except for the axles you have to buy to go with the lifts...lol....

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 2:21:31 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 4:27:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Comparing CVman or the like axles to G-axles or Turners is like comparing BearClaws to Outlaws. Same type product but built and designed for different purposes. Both my rear halfshafts are from The CVman and I have had no issues at all with them. I did have issues with the 450 Grizzly halfshaft i got from him, as stated in the link I provided before. Danny warrantied every axle on the little Grizz and yes it is a pain to send in the complete axle because it leaves you without the inboard joint to use in order to get another axle working. But I understand his reasoning in asking for it to verify the warranty claim. Danny's customer service is excellent and he has helped me even when his product was not the one in question. If and when I put a lift on I will look into G-axles or Turners but for now the halfshafts are holding up well. Axles are like tires or any other component, buy the ones that fit your riding style and purpose.    

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 6:45:28 PM   
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Status: online 		Lmao thats the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. Comparing axles to tires is dumb. You buy aftermarket axles to be stronger than stock if the stock ones were sufficiant you wouldnt be looking somewhere else for axles. Trailriders buy a certain tire and mud riders buy a certain tire but a trail rider want a strong axle and mud rider want a strong axle. His axles are weaker than stock apparently because everyone thats chimed in has had a problem with them. His axles wont even stand up to a 2" lift and most stock axles will.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 7:06:29 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 7:11:20 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 7:52:14 PM   
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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 7:55:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		BuLLgOd, glad to provide your afternoon entertainment.. I used the comparison because it exaggerated the point. I will stand by the basis of the argument though. I bought CVman axles to replace the stockers at a lower price, was not really looking to gain strength so much at that time because most of my riding was trails and pastures. Now with my riding evolving and turning more to mud; I can't say I would make the same purchases. I went from BearClaws to Bi/Tris, may eventually step up to 29fives which will make me look into Gs or Turners. Each person makes a decision based on the circumstances at the time. I doubt there are many "ordinary" folks with either brand of the premium axles in their quads. Now most on here are not "ordinary" folks in the sense of the word. We, and I include myself although I am by no means in the extreme, put our quads through quite a bit of abuse and are willing to spend days working on them to keep them going and thusly require higher performance from our products and are willing to spend the money to get that performance. But there is a market for that other area where a G or Turner is not required and MOST quad owners fall in this category and I believe it is the category that The CVman targets and his product fits in. Here again; everyone should spend their money on what suits them best.  

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 8:04:45 PM   
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i want someone to explain to me how turners are stronger than ape axles. and i dont see how a bigger bar makes em stronger cuz when you break an axle most of the time it is the cv and not the bar


Turners arent any stronger than apes. Yeah ape has smaller bars but they actually made theirs smaller and made them stronger at the same time, the old ape axles were huge, the newer ones are a little thinner but more durable. Personally I dont think there is much differance in quality between these two...however in the customer service category ape axle wins hands down...Not only do they make the top brand of axles but they treat their customers like family!

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 8:16:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		that is what i thought. i get tired of hearing that turner are so much better than ape. i live close to turner and never really thought much of them from some people i have herd from.  3 months to get an axle is not cool

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/27/2008 8:42:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care what the cvman says, his axles are garbage, I have been through his crappy customer service also, break a ape or turner and your stuff is taken care of quickly and efficiently, break cvman axles and you catch a load of bull... I broke the cvman axles first ride, my brute does not have a lift and he swore it hadto have a lift and wouldn't do squat, the shafts broke, I had my stockers for 2 years and never broke one, I ripped a boot and instead of rebuilding I just bought new ones, I thought hey they are supposed to be heavy duty.  Well I was mistaken they are light duty shafts that are very brittle.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/28/2008 11:58:53 AM   
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We offer great quality products well below the cost of o.e..

As for the shaft materials. We use top grade 4140 steel on all of the atv axle bars and 4340 chrome molly steel where we've encountered breakage issues with the o.e. bars.


Well bellow the cost of OE? I would agree to that. However, the "GREAT QUALITY" is a complete lie. I was sold an axle I had to file the splines on so it would fit! Quality? I think not. The boot on it was dry-rotted! Quality? I think not. Sure you use a great shaft material, but how do you treat it? Is it heat treated? Quenched? How is it formed? Extruded? Machined? Forged? So it's harder than stock, big deal. That doesn't make it any harder to break. Depending upon how hard it is it could make it easier.

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/28/2008 5:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Had a buddy buy one of his axles and broke it about 10 minutes after he took it off the trailer.  He was doing donuts in the parking area at my deer camp and snap (NO LIFT BTW, w/25" bighorns).  4 hour trip up there and couldn't even ride.

He bought an OEM one now, and has been fine for a few hundred miles.

I think even with 5 or 6 horror stories on this website that anyone reading this would just buy OEM as a replacment, and G or turners for upgrades.

In his defense a little, I probably wouldn't warranty an axle either (unless I charged $400 each).  Most people that break axles are abusing them in some way or another.  But after all of this, we all know that you get what you pay for!

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RE: CV MaN Axles ****!!!! - 8/28/2008 9:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah and about the ebay feedback....Feed back is left before anyone actually has time to test out the axles. I left mine as neutral because of the spline issue and was sent an email asking to remove it! How many times has this happened? 

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