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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 4:13:34 AM   
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hey, ge4x4, i'm in mass. where is your dealer ? do any riding in henniker ? or newport n.h. ?


Henniker and Hillsboro, and also Clough is where I ride. Have not been to newport, but I heard the trails are nice. I also race xc in CT.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 12:22:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought the red 800R because I am pretty fussy about suspension, and planned on putting Elka's on it anyway.  To tell the truth I did not think the suspension on the X model would be enough of an improvement over the regular Renegade, and that I would end up replacing those shocks with a set of Elka's as well.  But after riding the regular Renegade for a while I must say that I am impressed with the regular Renegade's suspension.  If The X model is significantly better than the regular Renegade I do not think the X model's suspensoin would need to be replaced.  So if you like the black one anyway, go with the X model.  I had to have a red one though, and I'm real happy with it.

How much do the X model skid plates weigh?  Just wondering, because a set of Ricochet floorboard skidplates and chassis skid plates (without the a-arm skid plates) weighs 21 lbs more than the OEM regular Renegade skid plates do (22 1/2 lbs total).

Definitely get the Renegade though.  They're the best 4x4 ATV made for people that like to go fast.


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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 12:49:53 PM   
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Status: online 		I think I am missing something here, everyone is praising the gades as if there is more than just 30 pounds stripped off an Outy via the racks and small fenders and a different set shocks, that is defferentiationg the gades  from the Outlanders. The Gade I had to me seemed like an outlander with sporty fenders on it, some cool loking head lights, and a harder seat, for the price difference I was not seeing it, more money for less machine, pull the racks off and slap some custom shocks on the Outy and you got the same thing other than looks????

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 1:17:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still tossing it around CC.... The reason for leaning towards the Gade is...I have already had two Outtys and was lookiing for something fresh...

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 1:17:51 PM   
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 1:32:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's got to be a little more to it though. I haven't own either one yet, but shouldn't the gade have at least a little sportier ride than the outty even though it's like cc said, a smaller outty. I'm just brainstorming here so I don't know. But I would think that the gade should have something different in the riding style that makes a market for it, maybe a little more nimble, agile, aggressive, something that appeals to the people who want it over the outties. Can you ride an outty as aggressive and sporty as a gade in high speed trailing? There just has to be something that it does better than the outty other than looks. If not, then cc is making a valid point which he always does.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 1:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		He never said it was a smaller Outty it's a stripped Outty. Same frame, motor, tranmission,axles, brakes, steering shaft, radiator, fuel tank, electronics. Different plastic, no racks, no winch, slightly different clutching (weights), and slightly different shocks. I like the look of the Rennys....but I tend to ride a lot of trees and I tend to get upside down a lot.....I'd have all the plastic broken off a Renny in no time.

Edit: FWIW, my dealer sells the Renny cheaper than the Outtys....

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 2:08:54 PM   
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Status: online 		There is one thing about the ride that was noticably different, that is maybe important to some depending on what you want it to do, is that by lightning the front end up the gades, they are a little harder to launch in drag than an outy, and a little too light in comparison on hill climbs too, but that winch you were talking about adding might help that, I just had one of the first models, and back then there really was not much out there for the gades in the way of accessories. I am sure you can get it setup how you want it now days.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 2:17:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I've seen how hard it is to keep the front end on a gade down. That's why a part of me kinda thinks I should keep the new clutching so I don't kill myself.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 2:20:09 PM   
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Status: online 		The brakes, are seperate on the gades as of 2008 where they are single lever on the Outy. The seat is harder and a little narrower if I remember right, that allows a real aggressive rider to move around on the seat easier for better control when pushing it real hard in the trails, I just can't push one that hard anymore so a hard seat is just a pain the **** to me. LOL  


Note: the seats are enterchangable so if you have an Outy and want the firmer gade seat or have gade and want the softer Outy seat,  they will fit on the gades. I did that a couple times with my gade, I just grabbed the softer seat off one of my outys and popped it on the gade when ever i took it for a long ride.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 2:27:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		So cc, do you think I will like the gade if I'm just looking for a little more sport in my fun? You know I've wanted the outty for a while and I don't know why this sudden urge for the gade but it's there. My wife says she wants it too because it's smaller. It looks like it'll be fun.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 2:39:45 PM   
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:08:10 PM   
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So cc, do you think I will like the gade if I'm just looking for a little more sport in my fun? You know I've wanted the outty for a while and I don't know why this sudden urge for the gade but it's there. My wife says she wants it too because it's smaller. It looks like it'll be fun.


Trust me, you'll love the gade. The Outty is not the same at all. It's sloppy and the braking sucks. The whole riding experience isn't even close.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:19:02 PM   
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So cc, do you think I will like the gade if I'm just looking for a little more sport in my fun? You know I've wanted the outty for a while and I don't know why this sudden urge for the gade but it's there. My wife says she wants it too because it's smaller. It looks like it'll be fun.


Its not really any smaller, just less plastic and no racks. If the looks are a must have then get a gade, there all so close that I am not sure it really matters you can make either one into what you want. To me it seems a waist to pay an XT outlnader price for a machine with no winch, no racks, and no fenders, but is almost as heavy so true sport riding is not really in the cards. If you ask me its more about the look than anything else. You can get a gade add racks, fender extensions, a winch ect. ect. and it will weigh about the same as an Outy when all said and done. So if you like the gade for what ever your reason,  and don't mind the cost difference, then thats the one to get. I know if I bought a gade again, I would have10-11 grand in the thing trying to build it into an Outlander. By adding the fender ext, the winch, the Outy seat, and the rear racks, ect, ect, ect.  

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08 Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black
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Past Quads:
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:29:10 PM   
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Voodoo, if you're using it for deer hunting....I'd go for the QUIET one....Hehee!!!


For sure Girl...

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:31:50 PM   
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So cc, do you think I will like the gade if I'm just looking for a little more sport in my fun? You know I've wanted the outty for a while and I don't know why this sudden urge for the gade but it's there. My wife says she wants it too because it's smaller. It looks like it'll be fun.


Its not really any smaller, just less plastic and no racks. If the looks are a must have then get a gade, there all so close that I am not sure it really matters you can make either one into what you want. To me it seems a waist to pay an XT outlnader price for a machine with no winch, no racks, and no fenders, but is almost as heavy so true sport riding is not really in the cards. If you ask me its more about the look than anything else. You can get a gade add racks, fender extensions, a winch ect. ect. and it will weigh about the same as an Outy when all said and done. So if you like the gade for what ever your reason,  and don't mind the cost difference, then thats the one to get. I know if I bought a gade again, I would have10-11 grand in the thing trying to build it into an Outlander. By adding the fender ext, the winch, the Outy seat, and the rear racks, ect, ect, ect.  


I understand. I guess to each his own. But you do make good points there and I have to take that into thought. My wife and I are finally going to see them both this weekend, so I'll let her know everything you told me so we can make a balanced decision. It's going to be hers as much as mine because I still have the Cat. I think she likes the looks and sportyness, so it should be interesting what I walk home with that day.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:39:24 PM   
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:44:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about the differences in front suspension and steering geometry between the Outlander and the Renegade?  Didn't the Outlander used to come with McPherson struts up front?  Maybe they still do, I haven't looked at a new one.  There is a huge difference in performance handling when going from McPherson struts to dual a-arms.  The spring rates are also different between the two ATVs, and the shock valving is clearly more sport oriented on the Renegade.  And is the sway bar torsion bar rate in the rear suspension different between the two ATVs?  And isn't it something like a 40 lb weight reduction, and not 30 lbs?  Seems to me that there is quite a difference.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:45:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Outty does not have the widest fenders either..especially on the front.... I had to put Fender extensions on both of mine and if I get the Gade...it will have them as well...

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 3:46:32 PM   
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Make sure she knows that she gets to wear every mud puddle with the huge Renegade fenders......hahaha.


I've already bought some fender extensions for it. They probably won't take care of it all but they'll help some.  

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 4:02:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Renegade shocks appear to be mounted more to the center of the frame, Then the Outlander to me. This would affect how it handles as well.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 4:51:27 PM   
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Status: online 		You might want to measure, I think even with the extensions you are still a little short on protection compared to a Outy without extensions.

As to the struts, no,no,no,  only the 400 and 500s have struts, 650s and 800s have the same setup as the Gade with dual a-arms up front, just different shocks.

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08 Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black
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Past Quads:
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 6:21:45 PM   
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I think I am missing something here, everyone is praising the gades as if there is more than just 30 pounds stripped off an Outy via the racks and small fenders and a different set shocks, that is defferentiationg the gades  from the Outlanders. The Gade I had to me seemed like an outlander with sporty fenders on it, some cool loking head lights, and a harder seat, for the price difference I was not seeing it, more money for less machine, pull the racks off and slap some custom shocks on the Outy and you got the same thing other than looks????


I agree with you cc. Plus, I think everyone here is missing the point where Voodoo said he hunts. If you go deer hunting, I would like to see you find space to hold your hunting gear on a Gade, and be able to haul in a doe or a big buck on one! I like the Gade's too, and would love to have an X to play on, but I need something that will serve hunting purposes too!

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 6:48:24 PM   
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/18/2008 8:26:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then I say go for it, get a Gade X! And for what kind of deal they are offering you, that is a heck of bargain! Wish my dealer would sell 'em that cheap! I just need my Outty for hauling corn to the feeder, and I like to put the deer on the back rack. Also, the larger racks allow for a nice big cooler to haul adult beverages in for a day of fun riding...

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/19/2008 9:19:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hear Ya ..Moose.... The racks will be the one thing I will miss... However, there is a nice back rack on Ebay that I will be getting...

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/19/2008 9:39:03 AM   
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You might want to measure, I think even with the extensions you are still a little short on protection compared to a Outy without extensions.




I think you're right cc. The good news is that I don't plan on mudding or even hitting many wet spots on the trails. I have the cat for that.

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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/19/2008 9:49:53 AM   
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RE: Torn-- Outty or Gade?? - 8/19/2008 9:55:06 AM   
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