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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/14/2008 4:38:50 PM   
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I didn't buy it to pull but it's pure sport but still rated higher than a work machine. As for 58 in a side by side wasn't Honda the first to make these kinda machines many years ago and they were just as fast? Plus if your not first your last!!! 

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/14/2008 4:56:22 PM   
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The Big Red is definately more work oriented. Everything on it's website mentions work. My next ride wont be a Big Red, or a Honda ATV, but I do like to see that diff lock is on its way to Honda ATV's, which is a huge step forward for them. All they'll need now is either better gears in the Rincon or more IRS ATV's.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/14/2008 5:04:31 PM   
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Just don't know what happened. I have a big red 350 3 wheeler in the barn and that thing still runs and never breaks. Honda was always the best just can't believe they still don't have a diff lock.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/14/2008 9:50:38 PM   
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ATVtech... you'll notice that not too many people care about who sells more units... this is a mud riding site..

Really? And here I thought I was on a dirt bike forum all these years. Don’t I feel stupid.



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we want performance with reliability, and honda has fallen off that pedestal a while back

Yes, I suppose you’re right. Adding differential lock to a glorified golf cart certainly isn’t the most exciting concept in the world. Maybe Honda should follow Polaris’ lead and blend performance with reliability to make their machines more appealing to ATV enthusiasts. Let’s just hope Honda’s version of differential lock doesn’t include plastic components like Polaris’ centralized Hilliard design.






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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 6:09:54 AM   
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no way!  plastic in a diff?!

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 6:17:50 AM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 6:26:36 AM   
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Why wouldn't Honda advertise a diff. lock,and IRS?

Don't they know people would wait for it.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 10:12:50 AM   
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actually the cage replacement should run about $700 - $800... that's what mine was and my dealer is expensive.

BTW, ATVtech... thanks for discovering the biggest kept secret in the polaris camp ... it's already well known that the hillard plastic cage is a weak spot, however more bikes get along just fine without the problem than ones that break.  Even though I was not happy with the plastic cage, I was still much more happier with the 800 that could run circles around any honda I ever had.  The performance completely outweighed that one problem.  Honda is off the pace when it comes to performance for our type of riding and everybody knows it.. I'm not here to beat a dead horse... I loved my hondas, but they just don't cut it anymore.  It's time for them to step up... long overdue.  They are so close, I mean either a rincon with a real tranny (actually just one lower gear) or a rubi with irs... that's it... that's all we want... locked front end too... sorry... two things

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 10:27:29 AM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...


I believe you can get a cage and rollers from john deere for $250.  I never busted one though on my 700 so I cant be sure.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 10:31:57 AM   
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This must be a rare case cause according to the Polaris guys in the po section, Polaris has the best 4x4 system.....hmmm....Plastic JUNK
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ATVtech... you'll notice that not too many people care about who sells more units... this is a mud riding site..

Really? And here I thought I was on a dirt bike forum all these years. Don’t I feel stupid.



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we want performance with reliability, and honda has fallen off that pedestal a while back

Yes, I suppose you’re right. Adding differential lock to a glorified golf cart certainly isn’t the most exciting concept in the world. Maybe Honda should follow Polaris’ lead and blend performance with reliability to make their machines more appealing to ATV enthusiasts. Let’s just hope Honda’s version of differential lock doesn’t include plastic components like Polaris’ centralized Hilliard design.







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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 12:23:56 PM   
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actually the way the awd works on the popo is sweet.  Performance wise it's the best I've ever used... just never liked the plastic cage even though I know many who've never had a problem... honda probably being the worst... the only one without a locking system... I have no idea why the refuse to do it

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 12:26:13 PM   
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i talked to my buddy yesterday at the honda shop he said its going to be 2wd limited slip, 2wd lock, 4wd, and 4wd diff lock all 4 tires pulling and he said that latest pic that they have posted are close to what it really looks like but he says it looks alot better i know i'm ready to see what it's going to look like and how it is going to preforme

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 2:05:42 PM   
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talked to my buddy yesterday at the honda shop he said its going to be 2wd limited slip, 2wd lock, 4wd, and 4wd diff lock all 4 tires pulling and he said that latest pic that they have posted are close to what it really looks like but he says it looks alot better i know i'm ready to see what it's going to look like and how it is going to preforme


Why would honda trick people into thinking it looks like this and then... bam!! sike it looks like this. I think ur buddy is full of $#!+.

I just hope if they only changed the diff gears that us rincon owners can just swap in the lower gears in our diffs, suddenly solving the rincon low range or lack there of....

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 2:18:38 PM   
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look what honda has done to all of us, they got us all hyped up about the big red having diff lock! now honda just has to put it in their bikes and it will cause chaos in honda forum! lol  september needs to hurry up and get here!!!

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 2:30:02 PM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...


About $100-130 to replace cage, rollers, and seals.  If you keep the proper fluid in them they hold up alot better.  Either way, 4WD most the time is better than no 4WD at all IMHO.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 2:45:41 PM   
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lockers,,,
by the time the  time the unit stops ,,,select low range ,put it in diff lock ,get a few clunks to activate it ,,
im already across the hole,,,,,and then some.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 4:42:55 PM   
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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 5:22:08 PM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...


About $100-130 to replace cage, rollers, and seals.  If you keep the proper fluid in them they hold up alot better.  Either way, 4WD most the time is better than no 4WD at all IMHO.


Funny, I just rechecked, cage and rollers - $1355.01, no seals. Just the rollers and cage. I don't know where your getting your prices but there is no way they are 1/10th the cost. It says it needs (14) of the "Roller Kits" which are P/N 3233957, $80.25 each total of $1123.50, and the cage is P/N 3234167, $231.51, and it requires (1). Based on a 05' model 700EFI, can someone confirm that these are the correct P/N's?

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 7:22:12 PM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...


About $100-130 to replace cage, rollers, and seals.  If you keep the proper fluid in them they hold up alot better.  Either way, 4WD most the time is better than no 4WD at all IMHO.


Funny, I just rechecked, cage and rollers - $1355.01, no seals. Just the rollers and cage. I don't know where your getting your prices but there is no way they are 1/10th the cost. It says it needs (14) of the "Roller Kits" which are P/N 3233957, $80.25 each total of $1123.50, and the cage is P/N 3234167, $231.51, and it requires (1). Based on a 05' model 700EFI, can someone confirm that these are the correct P/N's?


Sorry, I should have clarified.  I used the John Deere parts which are about 1/3 the cost of Polaris.  I don't have the part #'s handy but the are in the sticky at the top of the Polaris section.  The roller kit comes with all 14 rollers.  The cage kit comes with the cage and the armature plate.  The seal kit comes with 2 o-rings and 3 seals.  I paid $126 for all three kits.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 8:08:31 PM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...


About $100-130 to replace cage, rollers, and seals.  If you keep the proper fluid in them they hold up alot better.  Either way, 4WD most the time is better than no 4WD at all IMHO.


Funny, I just rechecked, cage and rollers - $1355.01, no seals. Just the rollers and cage. I don't know where your getting your prices but there is no way they are 1/10th the cost. It says it needs (14) of the "Roller Kits" which are P/N 3233957, $80.25 each total of $1123.50, and the cage is P/N 3234167, $231.51, and it requires (1). Based on a 05' model 700EFI, can someone confirm that these are the correct P/N's?



LOL thats funny, you only need ONE roller "KIT" <<  its a kit that means all the rollers on in it , so yes with Polaris parts you will have $231 for the cage and $80 for the roller "KIT" plus while you have it apart you should change the armiture plate that is another $75 buck. 
And Yes i know this for a fact as i rebuilt mine 3 times before i sold it.. take about 6hrs to replace it if your slow..

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 8:37:58 PM   
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Yes way. Whats that, ~$1300+ repair, I think thats what it was last I checked...


About $100-130 to replace cage, rollers, and seals.  If you keep the proper fluid in them they hold up alot better.  Either way, 4WD most the time is better than no 4WD at all IMHO.


Funny, I just rechecked, cage and rollers - $1355.01, no seals. Just the rollers and cage. I don't know where your getting your prices but there is no way they are 1/10th the cost. It says it needs (14) of the "Roller Kits" which are P/N 3233957, $80.25 each total of $1123.50, and the cage is P/N 3234167, $231.51, and it requires (1). Based on a 05' model 700EFI, can someone confirm that these are the correct P/N's?



LOL thats funny, you only need ONE roller "KIT" <<  its a kit that means all the rollers on in it , so yes with Polaris parts you will have $231 for the cage and $80 for the roller "KIT" plus while you have it apart you should change the armiture plate that is another $75 buck. 
And Yes i know this for a fact as i rebuilt mine 3 times before i sold it.. take about 6hrs to replace it if your slow..

Just had to give you a hard time


Thats what I thought first GWC but, it said 14 req. so I didn't doubt it LOL.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/15/2008 10:50:04 PM   
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Why is everyone getting so worked up over this......it will be what it will be....thats it.
Honda is going to do now what it has always done.....build it different.....
Thats not a bad thing, nor a good thing....its just a thing.

BUT, what Honda has always done well is build an atv to be good in any one specific area. Not always the best, but always good.

Example, Honda advertizes the Rincon as a big bore trail atv. NOT a full bore utility or mudder. As it is, the Rincon has excellent ride and handling that most other big bores cannot match on the trail. It has dam near perfect ergonomics (like all Honda products....cars included. I am on my second honda car now) and just excels in these conditions.

Example 2 is the Foreman. It is advertized as a utility atv. Though it doesn't have a front locker, it is still one of the better atv's available for doing work. Not the best, not the worse, just good. And again, like all honda's, the ergonomics are near perfect.

Where I am going with this is that I suspect Honda will again build the new BigRed to excel in one area. Honda will advertize what area and personel they are catering too. It won't be the best, it won't the worse....but it will be good.
I think that alot of us enthusiasts, people that follow the industry, that research everything new in atv's, will probably be a little dissapointed in it. Knowing what else is available on the market, (machines with more power, higher GC, higher top speeds, better suspension) Honda might have a hard sell to us.
But we are a small portion of the atv market. Most people don't know what we know, nor care.....And most of these people will probably love seeing a Honda SxS and will buy it because of the Honda badge.

I am just happy to see another machine available on the market. It gives the market more choice. No matter what it is or how it is built, it gives us, the buyer, more options. We as riders and consumers benefit from it. I know I may have been a little biased towards certain atv's in past posts. But in my REAL reallity I am not. I love all atv's. I don't care how/who/why/where they have been built, just get something and ride. The more available, the better. I can't wait to see what the future holds in atv's and the industry.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/16/2008 12:54:11 AM   
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As much as I love the razr, I am going to give the big red a hard look before I purchase anything.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/16/2008 1:20:21 PM   
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I can get a prowler 700 that will tow more, haul more and go 55 mph for the same price and the prowler already has some nice looking rims and all the guages, honda is asking way too much for the Big Red. $11,399 and you don't even get a speedometer.

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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/18/2008 3:09:35 PM   
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I say congrats to honda for making this great step (yes, it has been a long time coming). They are going to sell them regardless, and in the end, that's what they're in business for... Make MOST people happy (The 2% mudding crowd doesn't fall into MOST people), they deliver a great product for the other 98% of peoples needs to stay on top and cash in.

I love riding my RZR... I hate fixing it.  I have been around the block when it comes to brand loyalty.  I always find myself coming back to Honda's.  I highly doubt I will buy this new Big Red, but every other brand (besides Yamaha) have been nothing but problems including my new RZR that has only 68 miles on it so far.  Am I going to sell the RZR?  NO, it's way too much fun.  Will I ever buy anything but a Honda, yes, but I guarantee I will put more money into maintenance and repairs that most people do not want to do.  I think Honda just waits until they have something right before they release it.  There are problems with everyone else's diff locks, why not wait a few years until they have it perfect before they release it to the public so they can maintain their "Reliability" name?

Just to say you have diff lock, 25" of ground clearance, and 1000cc's isn't worth it... It has to function properly, not break parts, and get you home at the end of the day or what's the fun in it?

What do the big dog race bikes go for un-modded?  $10 - $11k?  When you think about it that's about what you'll pay for the Big Red.  When do you pay MSRP for an ATV/UTV anyway?

We would all love it if Honda came out with a mudding machine set up for just HL members, but that's probably not going to happen.  They are smarter than that. (But some more smooth riding IRS machines would be nice).  If they wanted to, they could probably build a bike that would out-do any competition in the mud.  I think they have the R&D and the money to do it.  Just not financially reasonable for 2% of riders.

I'm sure I will be the pig in the pig-roast for saying this, but Honda gets bashed A-LOT on HL.  What do you think the other 98% of people are bashing?  Most of them are bashing the non-honda's for their faults in every other category (Not wanting to fix a seal every 100 miles, or a belt every time an old farmer tows in high gear on accident, or a bent frame because they nudged a tree on the way to their deer stand, or...  I think you get the point).  And they sure as heck don't want to bring it in to the dealership 45 minutes away to fix those little things. 

I won't even get into my personal experiences with brands.  I'll just say that the reliability factor is still seperated by brand regardless of what people think on this forum.  Brand X and Y are still the most reliable on the planet. 

I am not trying to bash other brands (I have pretty much owned them all), nor am I mad about anything.  There will always be a brand to bash on to make people feel good about their 10,000 cc bike that breaks all the time.  Honda doesn't cater to the mudders, therefore they get bashed on this website.

Man I'm long winded... 

< Message edited by 1Bad450 -- 8/18/2008 3:15:19 PM >


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RE: Diff lock on the Big Red? - 8/18/2008 3:21:11 PM   
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I say after the Big Red comes out they should put out something along the lines of the RZR and name it the Pilot. (Of course the 680 Rincon motor would not be sufficient. Honda needs a bigger bore motor. Hopefully it comes out in a few weeks, but dont hold ur breath.) That way they will fill both sides of the UTV market with a utility and a sport version like Polaris has.

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