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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/14/2008 11:24:45 PM

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This whole topic has got me going for a number of resons...But, If you look real close on Can Am's website it says Renegade 800R...Then it tells you what engine it has.... 800 H.O. HUH! That's funny, that is what's in my 08 Renegade 800. To only gain 5 or so HP, can be done in the tune, or clutch setup. I think it's funny some people are or where so surprised that the 800R didn't do better in ( the ) race or a race. STOCK FOR STOCK, RIDER FOR RIDER, 5 or so horse power on a 600'ish plus pound atv will not just rocket you lengths and lengths ahead in a drag race! END OF STORY! 50 horse YES 5 or 10 horse NO.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/15/2008 8:03:24 AM

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The video proves exactly what Can Am says they did for '09. Can Am says they made the low end more managable, and it is, even if it is a tad slower off the line. Can Am also says they increased top end power, and they did. The '09 Can Am beat the '08 Can Am on the top end every single time. So I agree, why the big surprise?

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/15/2008 10:27:19 AM

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The power is there. People have been dyno'ing these things and it reads 68.4 horsepower everytime so I don't doubt the power, it's just hard to see it in the video. It could have been weight, skill, break in period not met, etc., etc. That's why you just can run with everything you see.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/15/2008 2:40:06 PM

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quote:

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STOCK FOR STOCK, RIDER FOR RIDER, 5 or so horse power on a 600'ish plus pound atv will not just rocket you lengths and lengths ahead in a drag race! END OF STORY! 50 horse YES 5 or 10 horse NO.

I dissagree with this. A piped and programmed Renegade will put lengths on a stock Renegade. That's about a 5 or 10 horse difference. You seem angry about this discussion?

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/15/2008 3:36:05 PM

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You seem angry about this discussion?

I sense that too.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/15/2008 3:57:05 PM

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Sometimes people forget the varibles that go on in a video. tires,weight,shock adjestment,hookup,response i could keep goin on all the way to what octane of fuel and how clean your air filter is.

Im sure Can-am did their homework and the 800R will turn out just fine :)

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/15/2008 4:21:03 PM

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Sometimes people forget the varibles that go on in a video. tires,weight,shock adjestment,hookup,response i could keep goin on all the way to what octane of fuel and how clean your air filter is.

Im sure Can-am did their homework and the 800R will turn out just fine :)

I agree. We don't know all of the variables.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 7:07:17 PM

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I have my 09' Outy 800R now, very, very minimal seat time, but it has been tamed on bottom, its not broke in yet and its hard to tell much in only a few miles of seat time, but one thing is for sure if you jump on an 06' then on an 09', you woulod swear the 06' is faster, just because of the more aggressive low end clutching, the 09' feels even smoother or softer on bottom than the renegade weighted clutch setup in my 06'. Not planning to make any changes till I get it broke in and really get a feal for what I have, but first ride was interesting to say the least, 09' Outy has very smooth power now.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 7:46:52 PM

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I have my 09' Outy 800R now, very, very minimal seat time, but it has been tamed on bottom, its not broke in yet and its hard to tell much in only a few miles of seat time, but one thing is for sure if you jump on an 06' then on an 09', you woulod swear the 06' is faster, just because of the more aggressive low end clutching, the 09' feels even smoother or softer on bottom than the renegade weighted clutch setup in my 06'. Not planning to make any changes till I get it broke in and really get a feal for what I have, but first ride was interesting to say the least, 09' Outy has very smooth power now.

Not for sure but I have heard that the computer retards timing until after 10 hrs. If this is true that would probably be the reason for it feeling slower than the 06'. Hang in there guys, When it is all said and done, you all will probably satisfied with the bikes performance!

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 8:02:04 PM

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I am not sure there is any truth to the computer break in time, its been debated back and forth for several years now. I have not seen it on the dyno in my ecxpersince there is now magic break in periord based on the hour or mileage meter just simple old fashion rings seating normal break in that can take a few miles or minuts up to several miles or hours depending on how you approach the break in.

Me I do the ride em like you stole them approach. I do verry the throttle allot the first few miles but thats about it, then after the firtst couple miles WOT is involved. LOL

I will say the motor was tight and needs broke in to be abele to tell whats what. I will also be racning it with one of my old Outys 800s that is piped to and I will be dyno'ing the new one along with adding a pipe to it as well.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 8:02:10 PM

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in all the threads i have read...here and other forums....not one has shown the "claimed" 1 second faster from 0-60...i feel bad for the guys that traded a perfectly good 08 or earlier year and are not getting what they paid for....

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 8:08:03 PM

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There are several upgrades that were worth it, the title says its 68.4 hp the title to my Tcat said 65hp, the key components to make that power are real, there maybe some need at some point to make some ajustments to the clutching to make the new found power really show up, but those components that seperate the 06-08s from the 09s will always be there on the 09s makeing the 09s have more power. Plus the new Black looks awsome IMO.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 9:53:08 PM

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I agree Shelby....Looks like I willl be getting the X this week...............

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 9:54:36 PM

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This whole topic has got me going for a number of resons...But, If you look real close on Can Am's website it says Renegade 800R...Then it tells you what engine it has.... 800 H.O. HUH! That's funny, that is what's in my 08 Renegade 800. To only gain 5 or so HP, can be done in the tune, or clutch setup. I think it's funny some people are or where so surprised that the 800R didn't do better in ( the ) race or a race. STOCK FOR STOCK, RIDER FOR RIDER, 5 or so horse power on a 600'ish plus pound atv will not just rocket you lengths and lengths ahead in a drag race! END OF STORY! 50 horse YES 5 or 10 horse NO.

You must be stupid. 5 and 10 hp is a lot for these motors.

As of a car now that would be different, but were talking about small compact motors. Not no 5.7liters. If you don't think 5hp is a lot well your down right stupid. Thats the best way I can say it.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 10:00:02 PM

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5 HP can be gained easilly with a pipe...............

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 10:00:19 PM

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5hp will and does show up on the drag srtip, at best guess at least a couple bike lengths in 300 foot when comparing these 800 Can-am machine to each other. 10hp should be about 4 lengths. That said the rest of the setup can easily negate that hp, which so far seems to be whats happening.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 10:02:40 PM

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in all the threads i have read...here and other forums....not one has shown the "claimed" 1 second faster from 0-60...i feel bad for the guys that traded a perfectly good 08 or earlier year and are not getting what they paid for....

Hate to pop the bubble, but after this weekend, I'm happy with my 09. Had no probs outrunning the 08's or 07's. Running stock everythings other then a PC III that was puttin the motor on the rich side, it ran 78 mph at 8100 rpm. With the type of racing we do though, the clutches will need to be re-worked

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 10:40:30 PM

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Heavier weights.... right???????????????

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 10:52:25 PM

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I would say to bump up the low end you will need heavier weights. It will put some of that jerkyness back in it, but I am betting they are faster with the a heavier fingers. Maybe worth looking at going to an 06 Outy finger. Not sure whats what in terms of OZs and dalton weights would work best for stock tires.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/17/2008 10:52:46 PM

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Aint real sure on the weight yet, it will defintley be getting some springs though.
I will admit I wasnt feeling the 09 from the intitial time I jumped on it monday but i was really impressed saturday.
While it didnt have the snap that the 08 did, it was more managable off the line. Basically meaning that I could mash on it and not have to worry about the front end wanting to go to the 1 o'clock position. It would still stand up but at a more managable distance where I didnt have to worry about working the throttle.
The neatest part was lettin the 08's purposely get a jump on a rolling start and then walk them back in at the 600 ft mark. Very very impressive

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 8:53:50 AM

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So these motors need broken in before evaluating. Makes sense.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 9:17:19 AM

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Aint real sure on the weight yet, it will defintley be getting some springs though.
I will admit I wasnt feeling the 09 from the intitial time I jumped on it monday but i was really impressed saturday.
While it didnt have the snap that the 08 did, it was more managable off the line. Basically meaning that I could mash on it and not have to worry about the front end wanting to go to the 1 o'clock position. It would still stand up but at a more managable distance where I didnt have to worry about working the throttle.
The neatest part was lettin the 08's purposely get a jump on a rolling start and then walk them back in at the 600 ft mark. Very very impressive

Thx Jun

That is exactly what Can Am said prior to release...Top End HP Increase....
IMO..I would like the 09 setup better///U don't have to worry about bouncing the back of your head off the ground...

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 10:25:33 AM

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lol....thats always a plus!!

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 11:47:26 AM

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Dawayne's 09 800R Renegade was very impressive! Big difference in mid-top power. Once it is clutched...its going to be a beast!!

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 12:23:22 PM

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we need videos.......................

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 1:18:45 PM

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no.......we dont!

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 1:34:21 PM

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Dawayne's 09 800R Renegade was very impressive! Big difference in mid-top power. Once it is clutched...its going to be a beast!!

That is my theory as well. I'm waiting to hear some clutching stuff I could do even if it's just switching out the old gade flyweights.

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 1:59:18 PM

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lol, vids are great! maybe Junya has some he can post...

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 2:50:32 PM

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!!! LOL!!

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RE: 07 Gade Vs. 09 GadeX - 8/18/2008 11:59:54 PM

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I got a few.......

Dont know if they need to be viewed by the masses though

Enjoyed the weekend though guys!! Thanks for coming up!!

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