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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 3:10:28 PM

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i ride mostly mud, pretty much allthe time.. you think i should change my weights an stick with the yellow spring or get a white spring????

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 3:13:13 PM

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so what you think.. i ride pretty much mud all the time, so stick with the yellow spring an add (4) 450 weights or go with a white spring an weights????

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 3:24:37 PM

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i havent tried the white spring yet, but i soon will have it in and will be able to speak with more knowledge. i would say since you are running 28s, i would try different weight combos first.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 4:13:21 PM

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I called my Yamaha dealer and they wanted $6 a piece for 660 weights and $6.50 a piece for 450 weights, I'm going to look online for a cheaper source...

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 4:34:25 PM

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i'll try the weight combo first an see whats up..

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:01:54 PM

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I called my Yamaha dealer and they wanted $6 a piece for 660 weights and $6.50 a piece for 450 weights, I'm going to look online for a cheaper source...

Now that's a stealership. I only paid $32 for 8 weights.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:12:26 PM

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i know that i don't want to change out the wet springs just because it is more of a headache than it is worth. i just want maximum power to the ground. some one tell me if i'm wrong??? tell me what you think.

It's funny that you say that.

The wet clutch stall springs are the most important part of the clutch system when it comes to tuning. They determine when the power from the crankshaft is transmitted to the transmission.

But when it comes to clutch tuning, there is no way to shortcut around installing a full clutch kit. Some guys throw in lighter weights, other guys install stiffer springs, other guys install the wet clutch springs, and other guys install full clutch kits. I can assure you that the guys who install the full clutch kits will notice the most.

The reason is that the entire clutch system needs to be balanced and each component needs to match the other components.

Everything needs to be balanced. It all works better and much more efficiently when it all works in sync.

It's actually easier, (and cheaper) just to purchase a clutch kit (or the components separately) and install them all at one time instead of buying a spring here, weights there, and the wet clutch springs a month later and tear it apart 3 times when you could've just done it once.

Just something to think about.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:24:24 PM

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thanks for the input. i am in no way an expert in this. i just think that experimenting with different combos might benifit me a little more than buy a complete kit. once you have all the different parts you can always try new things and set the bike up for what ever you may be riding at the time. I am also playing around with my ole ladies bike, because doesn't want it as extreme as i do. any more info would be welcomed.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:25:56 PM

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so your saying it worthless for me to change 4 weight to 4 450 weights????

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:27:57 PM

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i wouldn't think it would be worthless

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:37:36 PM

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One reason I am going to just try weights and a secondary spring is because a guy I met out at Spring Creek who had a wicked awesome Grizz 700 said he felt better response and low-end with stock wet springs than the ones he had from the full clutch kit.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/12/2008 9:45:12 PM

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well i guess i will save my money an try to find someone who has a set up like what im was saying... thanks for the tip on saving my money

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/13/2008 7:40:11 PM

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I am not going to say it is the #1 solution to providing all the power to the ground but that is what the guy I met said, and its worth a shot IMO!

At my dealer they wanted $6 & $6.50 for the weights individually, I found them individually at BikeBandit.com for Right at $4 each and on CheapCycleParts.com for right under $3 each but they have to be bought in sets of eight.

I think I am going to try (4) 660 weights and (4) 450 weights and call EPI to get a better secondary spring, I think that will have me set. I never had any problems with my 28x12's all around and I jyst want to make sure I still don't after going to 29.5x12's...

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/13/2008 9:22:17 PM

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Hey guys. Sorry to start a thread and bail. Been out of town. Thanks for all the great input. I have my 400/450 weights and will have them installed by the weekend and give it a test run. I am for getting all the power to the tires too. Just have to take small $tep$ to get there. Maybe some of yall are in the same boat. If I can get some great results and not have to drop hundreds of dollars I think we can all appreciate that.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/13/2008 9:28:43 PM

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RIX GRIZZILLA, just keep us posted on how your setup works when you get those weight's installed...

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/13/2008 9:44:51 PM

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keep us posted please

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/13/2008 9:47:19 PM

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yeah because if were all in the same boat, we would all like to get out..lol..

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/13/2008 10:35:09 PM

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so your saying it worthless for me to change 4 weight to 4 450 weights????

Not at all. But what I am saying is that doing so will not give you the full effect of what a full clutch kit will give you. I've seen tons of people just install the weights and say "Wow! This is awesome!". And then a year down the road they decide to install the rest of the kit and they can't believe how much MORE it helped over just the weights.

Sure, the weights will help. But again, then it's not a balanced system and will not work as well as the full kit. Just my educated opinion.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/14/2008 11:24:43 AM

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But when you install the full kit, doesn't it give you a stall? That's what I would like to avoid. I'd like to be able to get more snap on the bottom-end, but without that stall along with it. I had a clutch kit on Wolvy and hated that d*mn stall!

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/16/2008 11:02:39 AM

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Anybody??

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/16/2008 2:39:45 PM

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I would go with 4-450 weights, and 4-660 weights with the 29.5's. I have 4-450's and 4-700's and mine is really good, but I am only running 26's, I plan on getting some 27 inch bugs. Try what I wrote above, if you still need more, go with 8 450's.

Click the link below, it shows you how to changes your weights.
http://www.grizzlycentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=382

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/16/2008 5:46:39 PM

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i would not go with all 8 weights. ive been there and done that. revs to high and much loss to the mid and top end.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/24/2008 10:22:45 AM

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OK I finally got a chance to test my Grizz. before when I really got in a bind in the sticky mud I couldnt get engine reving past 1/4 throttle and the tires barely turning. After the weight change the engine stills stalls at low RPM but doesnt really make the tires bite until about 1/2 or 2/3 throttle. It allows the bike to rev up into its powerband and really spin the Laws. I took it through the mud bog, and the circle pit and was impressed by the difference. For me this is just the outcome I was hoping for.

But just for the sake of testing I am going to change the other for weights later to see if will make a bigger difference. But for now I am satisfied with the change.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/24/2008 12:11:44 PM

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what weights did you install first an was that with the clucth kit weights???? just so i now what you tried first so im on the same page...lol...

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/24/2008 8:39:09 PM

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I installed the 450/400 weights. alternated 700-400-700-400-700-400-700-400. I have not made any other mods to the clutch/sheave. only the 4 weights. it wasnt a kit. just bought the weights from the dealer. less than $4 per weight.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/24/2008 8:41:39 PM

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okay just wanted to know what you tryed first beginning you will try all the weight's.. an when you all the weights is that all 400 weights???

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fully custom snorkel
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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/24/2008 8:54:00 PM

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yeah my next change will be to try all 8 450 weights. But I see where some others tried this and said it winds up too much. so if I get the same result, I may try 4 660 weights with the 4 450 weights and see how it goes. But it is going to be at least 2 weeks before I change anything. Its performing well now.

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/24/2008 10:42:58 PM

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I am going to put in (4) 450 and (4) 660 weights and hopefully a white secondary spring wednesday or thursday. I am going to try and do that and get the Grizz snorkeled by the weekend...

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/25/2008 9:36:56 AM

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I have a 700 grizz with the extream clutch kit, and i still can not turn the tires in the sticky mud. Any ideas?

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RE: 700 Grizz clutch weight change - 8/25/2008 9:38:20 AM

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i have a 7in **** lift with 31" outlaws

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