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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/18/2008 2:07:02 PM   
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If I'm not mistaken the 09' Can Am Outlander 800 is supposed to have 67 hp. Look at this formula.

800 (cc's) divided into 67 (hp)=.08 hp per cc for the Outlander 800
So if CAN Am made a 950 cc Outlander.........950 mulitiplied by .08=76 hp
Multiply the .08 hp per cc for other Outlander models and the hp numbers add up.
Rotax engines have a higher output than standard engines and Can Am out powers every atv in their same class because of it. 65 to 70 hp for the Thundercats sounds about right to me. I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble, but the Thundercats may be detuned a little but not by much if you go by the hp numbers. Arctic Cat will probably find a way to squeeze a little more power out of the Thundercats here or there down the road.


The rotax is pound for pound the top engine but I'm still interested to see what's hidden under my hood. It might be something to take Cat more seriously instead of brushing them aside like they can't compete at all.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/18/2008 2:51:07 PM   
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Looking forward to the speedwerx BBK, and what ever else they might be bringing out for the Big Cat. This beast does need a little more fire power under the hood.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/19/2008 6:29:26 AM   
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Hey guys, I'm new to the forum...but have been lurking and reading for a while.  You guys have given a lot of good information on the Tcats..so I'd just like to say Thank You:-)

I just got my Tcat back from my mechanic last night...I have the 3.6 diffs on, and the new speedwerx clutch.  Could barely sleep last night as I was dreaming of riding it.  Anyone else have the speedwerx clutch yet?

Thx

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/19/2008 11:56:44 AM   
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Hey guys, I'm new to the forum...but have been lurking and reading for a while.  You guys have given a lot of good information on the Tcats..so I'd just like to say Thank You:-)

I just got my Tcat back from my mechanic last night...I have the 3.6 diffs on, and the new speedwerx clutch.  Could barely sleep last night as I was dreaming of riding it.  Anyone else have the speedwerx clutch yet?

Thx


I don't but let us know specifically how your bike performs from bottom to midrange to top end power?

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/19/2008 5:54:14 PM   
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ok guys im slighty confused ever forum i read on here people are saying "soon to come out" on the pc3 or any type of fuel controller. why doesnt anybody alreay have one, parts unlimited has been offering a dynojet power commander for a few months now.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/19/2008 5:56:10 PM   
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The PC is just not out for the Thundercats or 700h1s yet.  To my knowledge, they are available for every other EFI quad currently in production...

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/19/2008 5:56:26 PM   
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ok guys im slighty confused ever forum i read on here people are saying "soon to come out" on the pc3 or any type of fuel controller. why doesnt anybody alreay have one, parts unlimited has been offering a dynojet power commander for a few months now.
Not for a t-cat

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/19/2008 6:07:00 PM   
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they sure need to hurry up.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/20/2008 8:39:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nhquadguy

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum...but have been lurking and reading for a while.  You guys have given a lot of good information on the Tcats..so I'd just like to say Thank You:-)

I just got my Tcat back from my mechanic last night...I have the 3.6 diffs on, and the new speedwerx clutch.  Could barely sleep last night as I was dreaming of riding it.  Anyone else have the speedwerx clutch yet?

Thx


I don't but let us know specifically how your bike performs from bottom to midrange to top end power?


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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/20/2008 10:03:00 PM   
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im all for torque and horsepower and the faster the better but what the H3LL are you gonna do with 1100+ on the TRAILS besides flip your @$$ over?

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/20/2008 10:03:49 PM   
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You will see.....LOL

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/21/2008 12:15:48 AM   
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haha the new 09 popos have more hp out of an 850 motor

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/21/2008 9:11:36 AM   
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haha the new 09 popos have more hp out of an 850 motor


Probably, but you have to actually race it before any major claims can be made.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/21/2008 9:31:11 AM   
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ok i got a question...
why do you need a 1100+ cc bike
i've got a 600 cc bike and i can sling 29.5 swamplites enought to clean them out in peanut butter mud
so is there really a need for a 1100+ cc bike to ride every weekend?

but granted i have no problem with it but
just don't realy make much sense to have a daily driver that big
for competions he!! yeah more power to ya
but as far as a trail bike...


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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/21/2008 9:32:24 AM   
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im all for torque and horsepower and the faster the better but what the H3LL are you gonna do with 1100+ on the TRAILS besides flip your @$$ over?


In my case, the Cat is not my favorite trail machine, by a long shot. For trails I have the X2, and the Outy. This BBK, will allow me to make the cat into a drag race sleeper, for the dirt and sand drags, that I like to go to. LOL


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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/25/2008 10:47:47 AM   
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i don't know why people on here think there's something magical about the rotax engines, or engines in general... take a look at the finer specs such as head port volume and cam specs and i'll bet you that compared to displacement, the can-am's specs are a little on the higher side versus the bigger cat motor (meaning the cat engine was more mildly tuned out the factory for more low-mid rpm power). let's face it, both the rotax and cat engines use 4-valve heads with EFI feeding them. slight port job on the head and slightly hotter cams and the cat engine will be making the same hp/liter which means more power out the back end. it doesn't stop here, things are just getting started as getting the cat to the can-am's hp/L will take very little effort.

every dollar you spend on the rotax motor to make more power than the cat, the person modding the cat motor can spend the same dollar to stay ahead of you. and with more displacement to boot, the cat will come out the gate with a good advantage. with unlimited budgets (nitrous, turbocharging, etc), the one with the stonger parts (crank, rods, block, etc) will win. but having more displacement to start with makes things much easier (and cheaper) to get there.

this is the basis for horsepower wars... almost any engine can be pushed to unbelievable levels of power. the japanese have built turbocharged 2 liter engines to over 1000hp (10k+ rpm and over 50psi of boost). imagine the 0.95 liter cat engine making about 500hp and this is the same level of performance! while the americans are building small engines to make this power also, most would rather choose a well-prepped turbocharged big block to do the job, which will (and has for years) make and handle 2,500-3,000hp with less boost and at lower rpm (better durability). NHRA and IHRA have a TON of examples of this. how much effort you want to put into it? how much MONEY you got to spend?

no one has seen the true potential of the cat 950 yet. give the racing shops out there some time to work with and develop stuff for this engine before making any conclusions. the fact that it has the potential to approach 1200cc without a terrible amount of work is promising in itself, and starting with 4-valve heads also makes the future look bright for this engine.

i could go on and on, but it's time people do a little more learning on these types of things rather than throwing out inaccurate blanket statements...

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/25/2008 3:02:05 PM   
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I feel ya totally liveformud and I know we have not nearly tapped into the potential of this bike's power. When people on here do these horsepower quad wars, it's all about stock vs stock; which bike comes out the showroom with the most power. The general public doesn't see beyond the showroom floor, that's why the rotax is the most famous engine. So the question is (for marketing purposes), do you make an engine that's at its potential (rotax) for the showroom or do you make one that can be modded to its potential (thundercat)? It seems the public will always choose the former.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/25/2008 4:31:51 PM   
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Like LiveForMud said, the potential for the Tcat is there. Bigger always means more power. Like in the old muscle cars my buddies and I build up. I have had both small block chevys and big block chevys in early 70's Camaros and Vettes and can attest, the big blocks are so much more fun and nothing catches attention like when the big cube engines open up.
Guess that's why all the NHRA Top Fuel draggies are monster block motors. The Tcat has more potential than any 800 or 850 just by virtue of the CC's. And according to the engineers at AC, the Tcat does have lots more potential, they just don't feel they need to put all their cards on the table right now.
I've raced Rotax engined desert machines and can attest to their ability to produce lots of good power, but there's nothing magical about them. A bit of head work, cam work and recalibrating the electronics is all it'll take to make the naysayers rethink all this...

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/25/2008 8:00:11 PM   
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Naysayers are definitely downtalking the TCat's power, but it seems TCat owners just have to be patient because it seems it's only a matter of time before the aftermarket turns this bike into a bike to be well respected and feared at the races.


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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/27/2008 4:45:34 PM   
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there is no replacement for displacement...


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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/27/2008 7:39:20 PM   
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The tcat puts out 4-5 more hp then the can-am revving 1000 rpms less. With stock gears and 8500 rpm like the can-am this thing would be going around 90+ mph! Law suits written all over that. I have owned both the outty 800 and the tcat and my tcat is awesome for my style of quadings. Would not trade it for anything. cc for cc the outty is putting out more hp. Wait until dyntatech or some other company removes the limiters! The tcat has lots more under the hood!

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 6:34:30 AM   
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"I have owned both the outty 800 and the tcat and my tcat is awesome for my style of quadings. Would not trade it for anything. cc for cc the outty is putting out more hp. Wait until dyntatech or some other company removes the limiters! The tcat has lots more under the hood! "

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 7:31:14 AM   
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One thing the Tcat has going for it that I've noticed is the crank & rods.  It uses an ATV or motorcycle type crank w a pressed in rod throw pin and roller bearings.  That's great.  It can hold up to contaminants much better than the brutes and can-ams.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 11:14:14 AM   
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The tcat puts out 4-5 more hp then the can-am revving 1000 rpms less. With stock gears and 8500 rpm like the can-am this thing would be going around 90+ mph! Law suits written all over that. I have owned both the outty 800 and the tcat and my tcat is awesome for my style of quadings. Would not trade it for anything. cc for cc the outty is putting out more hp. Wait until dyntatech or some other company removes the limiters! The tcat has lots more under the hood!


So I guess 83mph is the limit any manufacturer would go in stock speed. So they had to let it rev less. That makes sense. So if you get 1000 more rpms, 3.6 gears, dual exhausts, fuel controller, and bbk, there may be there the potential horses liveformud was talking about. You got me interested in the po po shocks atvmodster. I'm gonna look into that.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 12:43:17 PM   
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those shocks will make it ride just like a popo, i fixed that buy putting on HL springs and spacers though rides like a Cat again

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 1:21:30 PM   
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With my popo shocks in the rear i had to build a 2 inch lift for the front. I also keep the front shocks on the stiffest setting. My fronts have sagged some since new but the popo's are not sagging at all. They squat somewhat when you step on it but this saves your axles and even when squated out they still sit much higher then the stock set up. The people that ride behind me all wish they could keep as much ground glearence as me while riding. The ride is awesome as well. I think my popo's are on the second softest setting. I think the tcat should come stock with a similar shock in the rear! If your going to lift the front be sure to put axle spacers or gorrila's up there. I got one gorrilla and one stock with spacer in the front.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 1:25:46 PM   
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When it comes to turning large tires in thick mud at lower rpms is when the tcat really shines over the can-am. My buddies can-am you have to keep it revving or the tires will near stop and slip the belt. I can crawl in the thick with tons of torque to spair. These two engines feel alot different from each other.

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All vents ran up to pod
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Custom 2 inch lift in front
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Secondary Clutch Mod
29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws
Motosport Allow Tork Wheels
3000lb Warn Winch
Rear rack bag
**** axle front left

Previous Atv's
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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 2:09:36 PM   
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You're right atvmodster and sometimes I forget the purpose of cats and what they were built for.

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 2:10:54 PM   
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I hope U coming to Mud Mania here in P.A. on Sept 13th??????

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RE: THUNDERCAT BBK - 7/28/2008 2:25:59 PM   
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Thats weekend before elk hunting. Will have to see. Give me more details nbm.

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