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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/29/2008 7:45:07 PM

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The nice thing about new trucks is the huge rebates right now because nobody is buying one.

Is it the fuel economy that scares you??

You can delete the DPF in most states and it really wakes the truck up and the economy skyrockets once you get rid of it.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/30/2008 9:30:23 AM

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I don't pull anything with mine but it sure is alot of fun to drive :)

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/30/2008 9:28:20 PM

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The nice thing about new trucks is the huge rebates right now because nobody is buying one.

Is it the fuel economy that scares you??

You can delete the DPF in most states and it really wakes the truck up and the economy skyrockets once you get rid of it.

the only thing about the DPF is if you have problems with the truck and you have to take it to the dealer, if the guy at the dealer knows alot about trucks he will be able to see the signs of using a programmer to delete the DPF and it will void your warrenty

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/31/2008 11:44:29 AM

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durallymax,
EXCELLENT POST! The best information I've seen on the internet in a long long time. Thanks for taking the time to write that.

I've got a 2007 Duramax 3500 crew cab dually with the LBZ engine, and I agree 100 % with what you said. It tows great, including loads that are actually above the maximum rated towing capacity of the truck. Power is never a problem, even with steep grades in the Rocky Mountains, and it never overheats. Fuel mileage is quite poor though. My truck has gotten an all time best fuel mileage of 14 mpg, empty, on the highway. Towing a 20' enclosed trailer that has a one foot extended height that weighs about 8,000 lbs I get 10 mpg. Towing the triple axle 37' toy hauler that weighs 17,000 lbs I get 9 mpg. That fuel mileage isn't too bad while towing, but the empty fuel mileage is pretty bad. Certainly not the 24.5 mpg someone reported they got with their Ford.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/31/2008 10:13:19 PM

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holleran- even the guy who sweeps the floor can tll if the DPF has been deleted. Look under the truck and look at the exhaust. Its prety obvious if it isnt there.

Like I said if you have a good dealer they wont say anything unless there is a good chance they could get into some trouble.

3TV-that mileage is really good considering you have the biggest truck Chevy makes. And to top it off you have the Hig output LBZ. 14 is good for a dually.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/1/2008 11:25:55 AM

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holleran- even the guy who sweeps the floor can tll if the DPF has been deleted. Look under the truck and look at the exhaust. Its prety obvious if it isnt there.

Like I said if you have a good dealer they wont say anything unless there is a good chance they could get into some trouble.

3TV-that mileage is really good considering you have the biggest truck Chevy makes. And to top it off you have the Hig output LBZ. 14 is good for a dually.

Im goin to guess he has 4.10s in his dually?
My neighbor has 3.73s in his LBZ and they go to colorado every year and he said doin 60mph they get a consistant 19mpg.. but over 60mph and it drops fast.

We had a 2003 and a 2005 F350 and the best unloaded they got was 10mpg and they had 4.10s.. pulling our 8000 pound box trailers they got 6-7mpg so we had to put 100gallon fuel tanks in the bed so we didnt have to fuel up every day driving around the US.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/1/2008 6:42:29 PM

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unless he swapped them out aftermarket he has 3.73s. You cant get a duramax/allison with 4.10s from the factory.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/1/2008 11:21:52 PM

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What he said. There is no axle ratio option available for the 3500 dually with the Durimax/Allison drivetrain. You take what they give you. I just looked at the codes inside the glove box and couldn't figure out what code was for the axle ratio. 3.73 sounds right to me though, from what I remember when I bought the truck a year ago.

Its one year old this month and has 10,000 miles on it, ... 90% of which have been with it towing a load. Great truck! The smart transmission is its best feature if you ask me. Cost a lot to fill the tank though, so it doesn't get driven too much.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/2/2008 8:05:17 PM

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Funny fact. The rear ratio is 3.73. BUT when I was looking at some of my TCM files, it says it has a 4.10. And when I correct my speedo it says 3.72. Dont change either of those though if you do custom tuning. It creates headaches.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/5/2008 11:26:18 PM

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Funny fact. The rear ratio is 3.73. BUT when I was looking at some of my TCM files, it says it has a 4.10. And when I correct my speedo it says 3.72. Dont change either of those though if you do custom tuning. It creates headaches.

Well i guess they are 3.73s then... haha learned somthing new today.. that means my brothers 3500HD has 3.73s, he always thought they were 4.10s and he has the 6speed Manual.

But the F350s had 4.10s cause they turned some RPMs doin 75.

I went round and round with the 4.10s in the TCM and 3.73s in the ECM... Some guys said it didnt change anything.. others said it gave them headaches..

our 2500HD and dodge 2500s have 3.73s in them..

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/5/2008 11:33:36 PM

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If he has a ZF6 he very well could have 4,10s I honestly cant remeber as there were so little sold.

The Fords I believe had the option.

Now that I look at your post closer. 3500HD??? is it an older non duramax truck??

Because to this day they have never made a 3500HD duramax.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/8/2008 10:44:34 PM

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The dealer has to prove the programer you have is the direct cause of your problem, otherwise they cannot void your warranty....new law

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/11/2008 5:30:37 PM

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Guys,

This comes down to the old Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge discussion. The Cummins is by far the most fuel efficient and has great power potential, the GM is the best riding and is quiet, the Ford is probably the stoutest chassis and suspension but wont get the mileage that the Cummins gets. They are all 3 good trucks and any of them will pull about anything you put behind them.

The Allison 1000 in the GM product is probably the best automatic followed by the TorqShift in the Ford and the auto in the Dodge is OK but wont hold the HP & TQ like the other two will.

The Ford has the biggest cab and the solid axle makes it easy to lift and is **** for stout. They are all good trucks!!

By the way, if you are concerned about the 6.0L Powerstroke, you can buy a 7 year 200K mile engine warranty from Ford that covers the motor, injectors, turbo, EGR cooler, etc. for about $1900.00

If you want a nice one, I have an 04' F250, SWB, 4X4 with 80K miles on it I will sell. Sitting on 6" of suspension (super lift), Weld Evo's with 315/75/R17 BFG AT's (5,000 miles on the tires), FlashPaq programmer and a 15KW Real Power PTO Generator on the frame. Search realacpower for generator info.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/13/2008 12:41:21 AM

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this has been discussed on quite a few forums lately.

on the AVERAGE.................the 6.0's will net you some good milage if you don't get a lemon, chances are slim you'll get one, but when you get one, YOU GET ONE!! 7.3L are still the choice of quite a few, milage wise they are OK, reliability, guys say, they are top notch. the 5.9 is a work horse, some say the 12valve pull better and handle more power than the 24valve, but the 24s get better milage. and on a side note, you see/hear of people doing more 5.9L swaps into ford and chevy than the other way around.

the NEW NEW diesels, mainly the 6.4L is a killer on fuel. the milage compared to the new V10's aren't off by only a couple miles.

personaly i love my V10 (F250 6.8L, headers, exhaust work, 9" lift, 39.5 IROKs, 4.56 gears, and trans upgrades). and unloaded highway it sees between 13 and 14mpg.........pulling.........i don't care what you hook to it (golf cart or a backhoe) you get between 10-11mpg! V10s are hard to come by, but you can deal on them about like the diesels now days..........

ive never had one of my 24 valves get near as good as mpg as my 12 valve .mech 12 valves get alot better fuel mileage in my experience with them

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/13/2008 10:57:25 PM

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Sounds like Ford just copied GMs Special Service policy, but charge people for it.

Isnt it ironic how theirs lasts for 7 years and 200,000 miles when Gms injector policy is the same only Free?? Tells you hwo cares more about their customers however ive never heard of this so called ford warrenty.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/13/2008 11:55:40 PM

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Durallymax,

There is a little bit of diffrence here, GM is providing a very limited "fuel system" coverage for 01', 02' & 03' LB7 engines. The 03' was just added in October 06', prior to that it was only for the 01' & 02'. It is good that GM stood behind them, it was the right thing to do.

I understand that you may not have heard about the Ford warranty, it was released earlier this year.

The program is called DieselCARE ESP or DieselCARE ESP Plus and covers a heck of alot more then just the fuel system. All internally lubricated parts, water pump, head gaskets, all castings, injectors, seals & gaskets, EGR coolers, oil coolers, injectors, lift pump, high pressure pump "oil", towing, roadside assistance, etc.

The thing to remember is that none of our diesel pickups are worth anything any more, Ford, Chevy or Dodge, I never thought I would see the day that crew cab 4X4 diesels were this soft in the market but in the central Texas market they are bringing about 60% of "left hand book" value. If you are in the market, this is the time.

And no, I don't work for a Ford dealer but have spent the last 15 years selling heavy trucks (Freightliner, Sterling, Western Star, Mack, Volvo and Autocar) as well as yellow iron.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/14/2008 11:46:53 AM

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all right ...

i'll bite ...

what's yellow iron?

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/14/2008 12:05:30 PM

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all right ...

i'll bite ...

what's yellow iron?

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/14/2008 12:24:21 PM

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BINGO!!

"Yellow Iron" being not just CAT equipment but off road equipment as a whole. Dozers, Track loaders, wheel loaders, scrapers, excavators, etc. from CAT, Deere, JCB, Kobelco, etc.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/14/2008 12:37:07 PM

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I have done the air conditioning work on a lot of the "Yellow Iron" as you call it. From Valmet's, Lull's, Cat Dozer's, and such. I have also done the work on Fairbanks / Morse, Iveco, Cummmin"s, Cat, Detroit, and Kubota powered generators. The only bad part about working on Diesel's was smelling like the fuel and most of the time they were hot when I got to do the work.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/14/2008 6:40:49 PM

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Gms service policy covers 01-04. I dont consider 2 years ago recently. Recently they just added the 04s but that was still awhile ago.

Fords warrenty may be nice but you could get screwed because you may not have problems.

At least GMs covers a HUGE repair bill, for free for the same term, and you dont have to buy it.

I just think that it counds like GM is standing behind theyre product better. If fords diesels were built and designed poorly then they shouldn't have been released or they should cover the problems for free.

Im the consumer, I want my product to be perfect who cares if they loose money. Gm is still taking a huge hit on these injectors as almost 60% of the trucks will crack their original injectors.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/15/2008 1:54:20 AM

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i throw my 2 cents out there... i own a 06 4x4 dodge dually and have pulled a 40 ft gooseneck behind it since day one..it has the 5.9 and that thing is a hoss... i put 150,000 in a year and half it runs stronger than ever... only problems...u joints from the stress of towing some SERIOUS wieght and a water pump went out at 96000 which cummins covered.... i put and aftermarket heavy duty clutch and a single mass flywheel in it b/c the dual mass flywheels r junk... all in all this is the cheapest hardest working truck ive ever operated...and im not brand loyal my previous 7.3 ford dually hit 300,000 b4 i gave her up.... il just say i put a little more work into her to keep her workin 4 me but the 7.3 was a great engine!! if i had to buy another today judging by what u r looking at (3/4) it would probably be an 06 or 07 with the 5.9 cummins 6 spd manual between 80,000 and 90,000 miles... u could probably steal one with that many miles and im sure u will be able to hit 300,000 out of her easy jmo

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/18/2008 1:12:50 AM

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I am also in the market for a diesel. This has been some great info...I'm getting a dodge, I already knew that, but now I know more as to why

. And YUP, I'm getting it just to drive.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/20/2008 10:38:29 PM

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HEY IF SOMEONE NEEDS A CUMMINS DIESEL JUST PM ME I WORK FOR A HUGE DODGE DEALERSHIP AND IF YOU BUY ONE FROM US WE WILL WARRANTY A TRUCK WITH A PROGRAMER

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/21/2008 11:55:33 PM

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Dodge trucks are running 40% OFF right now. So now is the time to buy.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/22/2008 10:59:08 AM

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The dealer has to prove the programer you have is the direct cause of your problem, otherwise they cannot void your warranty....new law

not new actually and its called the moss magnusson act but your right they cant void your warranty unless its proved .

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/22/2008 11:01:57 AM

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The dealer has to prove the programer you have is the direct cause of your problem, otherwise they cannot void your warranty....new law

not new actually and its called the moss magnusson act but your right they cant void your warranty unless its proved .

Technically you are correct.. HOWEVER in REALITY there are LOTS of dealers that will void your warranty for having obvious signs of programmers or performance improving parts.. It's not right but it IS the way a lot of dealers will do ya..

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/22/2008 11:04:21 AM

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thats because most the dealers dont even know the law you show them or a rep and they will come correct ive done it with no hassles at all

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/22/2008 11:38:15 AM

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From what I have been reading they are denying major claims in hopes of the customer dropping it. The dealers know about the Moss act but will let you jump through all of the hoops just to settle right before the court date. They are trying to save money because they are losing so much because of the economy.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 8/22/2008 11:38:24 AM

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thats because most the dealers dont even know the law you show them or a rep and they will come correct ive done it with no hassles at all

Well all i can tell you is their are several ford and several dodge dealers within 100 miles of me that FLAT DON'T CARE AND WILL TELL YOU TO SUE THEM>.. One guy with a 6.7 dodge and one with a 6.0 ford that i personally know had their trucks pushed out of the dealership with a pile of parts in the bed and the dealers refused to work on them.. The guy with the ford spent 2 months and several thousand dollars before ford finally agreed to warranty PART of the problems.. On the dodge it was took to a aftermarket repair shop and repaired and the owner just paid for it as he did not have time to leave the truck broke while he was getting a lawyer..