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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/17/2008 6:28:04 PM   
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I want to point out something that suprisingly enough hasn't been brought up yet, REPAIR COSTS specifically labor charges. Do some checking on this and you will find that the Cummins Rams are consistantly the cheapest to fix if any problem is encountered. To make it easier just pop the hoods on the newer 6.6 Dmaxes and see what you can see of the motor, if you look in just the right spot and move that big harness out of teh way you can almost see the engine block lol. Look under the hood of a Ford 6.0 and you have to do a couple hrs worth of work to get to the point where you can see anything (on a side note these motors have a big problem with blowing head gaskets when you put chips and more boost in them you will need to put ARP head studs in it to reliably get more power out of them). Look under the hood of a new Ford 6.4 and you will say the same thing I did ****!!!! Where did the engine go?! Lastly look under the hood of ANY cummins 5.9 or the new 6.7 and you can see all of the engine block on both sides enough to get all the casting #s off of it if you were so inclined. On the Ford 6.4, if you have any problems with it you can plan on taking the cab off the frame to work on the engine, thats what the Ford service manual tells you to do! A freind of mine works at a Ford dealer and he told me once that the labor for changing an injector on a 6.4 is 34.7hrs, holy $#!%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can do that in 1hr or less on a Cummins!

As far as who has the best/most reliable disel out there is no comparison the Cumins is the best by far. Having said that the 06-07 6.0 Powerstroke Fords would be my next choice good power and by those two years they had almost all of the bugs worked out. Chevys are my last choice just because of the IFS and weaker axles then their competition from Dodge and Ford. Also the Allison trans might be tough but it shifts like crap no fun at all untill you put a programmer in it and then its still not great.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/17/2008 8:07:58 PM   
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this has been discussed on quite a few forums lately.

on the AVERAGE.................the 6.0's will net you some good milage if you don't get a lemon, chances are slim you'll get one, but when you get one, YOU GET ONE!!  7.3L are still the choice of quite a few, milage wise they are OK, reliability, guys say, they are top notch.  the 5.9 is a work horse, some say the 12valve pull better and handle more power than the 24valve, but the 24s get better milage.  and on a side note, you see/hear of people doing more 5.9L swaps into ford and chevy than the other way around.

the NEW NEW diesels, mainly the 6.4L is a killer on fuel.  the milage compared to the new V10's aren't off by only a couple miles.

personaly i love my V10 (F250 6.8L, headers, exhaust work, 9" lift, 39.5 IROKs, 4.56 gears, and trans upgrades).  and unloaded highway it sees between 13 and 14mpg.........pulling.........i don't care what you hook to it (golf cart or a backhoe) you get between 10-11mpg!  V10s are hard to come by, but you can deal on them about like the diesels now days..........


i have to agree with you about the 7.3 I have a 97 F-250 7.3 with just over 218,000 and its still running strong, I am running wide tires on it and avg over 20 mpg in the city and about 23 highway, and thats without any type of programmer, and on a side note the engine does not smoke at all when i start it in the morning and never smokes when it shifts, even when i am pulling a Bobcat

and about the V10's thats kind of odd that you say that they are hard to come by, when i was looking for a F-250 about 75% of them were the V10 gas

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/17/2008 8:23:54 PM   
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in this area, when one goes up for sale at a dealer it usualy doesn't stay long.  different area's are going to be different i know this.  but one of the local ford dealers (owner races dirt track with a co-worker), said he can't keep a V10 (or a V8) that's used on the lot.  he had 9 diesels traded in with in a week, and all of them were for gassers (4 v10's and 5 v8's). he had a 04 crew cab i looked at with 35K on the clock, and he was itching for me to trade mine in, but mine only has 65K miles on it and it's a 2000, mines still "new" if you look at miles.  that truck stayed there for about 3 weeks and was GONE, he got 2 more after that, that only stayed there for about 2 weeks..........

now i found mine in nebraska (home town), and none of the farmers in that area wanted it, they were more into the diesels, so i got a heck of a deal on it almost 5 years ago!! 

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/19/2008 5:14:51 PM   
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I have been looking at the 06 f250. what do yall think of it? pros and cons? I will probabaly be putting a leveling kit, and programer on it and possibly exaust.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/19/2008 7:50:29 PM   
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I have been looking at the 06 f250. what do yall think of it? pros and cons? I will probabaly be putting a leveling kit, and programer on it and possibly exaust.


is it a 7.3?

IMOP if you are going to do any towing the 7.3 is the way to go

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/19/2008 7:57:00 PM   
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what about just a good engine? The one I was sortta looking at was a 6.0.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/20/2008 2:13:11 AM   
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if you would like i may be able to get you a good deal on a truck. my dad is the general manger for champion dodge in gulfport,ms and if he dosent have what you want im sure some of his buddies would. just shoot me a pm if your intrested.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/20/2008 9:49:11 PM   
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The later model 6.0s are decent but still not as reliable as a Cummins or a old 7.3 powerstroke. They have good power from the factory and with the right programmer can get great fuel mileage, for their size anyway.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/20/2008 10:41:19 PM   
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allright thanks. I had straights on my gas and it sounded great and was fine for the engine. Is it the same for a diesel?? I also heard it gives u better gas millage?????????????? just wondering?

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/21/2008 5:37:14 AM   
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allright thanks. I had straights on my gas and it sounded great and was fine for the engine. Is it the same for a diesel?? I also heard it gives u better gas millage?????????????? just wondering?


better gas mileage, I think not. but lowering the egt's yes. lost my cat and muffler the day I purchased my truck and now have a 5in kit waiting to be installed.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/21/2008 11:57:49 AM   
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I got a little better MPG out of mine when I lost the muffler.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/22/2008 7:00:28 PM   
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allright thanks. I had straights on my gas and it sounded great and was fine for the engine. Is it the same for a diesel?? I also heard it gives u better gas millage?????????????? just wondering?


Once you cut the muffler off you are going to want to hear it all the time so there goes your fuel mpg lol.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/25/2008 9:57:38 AM   
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Of course exhaust will give you better milage on a diesel - it will lower your EGT's.  The lower your EGT's are the less fuel you are burning, and the better milage you are getting.  That heat has to come from somehwere, and its fuel. 

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/25/2008 1:58:46 PM   
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What do yall mean by EGT's?

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/25/2008 2:16:13 PM   
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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/25/2008 8:04:40 PM   
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aight thanks for the input. I was looking at this cummins, what ya think??????????????

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___QUAD-CAB-SHORT-BED-LIFTED-DIESEL-BANKS-SUNROOF_W0QQitemZ230274208711QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230274208711&_trksid=p3756.m14.l1308

more miles than I would like but I have heard for a diesel its nothin especially a cummins

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/25/2008 9:51:02 PM   
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looks like a nice truck i love that black interior .. it has $2000 worth of bumpers on it..   dont worry about the miles my truck has 95,000 and not a problem yet... i would'nt trade my truck for anything

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/25/2008 10:43:14 PM   
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Thanks for the input. I love it and the only thing i'd do is put some bigger mud terrains. but u didn't see anything wrong or bad with it?????

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/26/2008 8:13:27 AM   
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 it looks like a nice clean truck from the pictures... but you would have to ask him if its the stock tranny i see its a automatic and that he has a EDGE juice attitude ... and also get a one of those CARFAX history reports... o and also try to work on that price a little

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/27/2008 3:41:18 PM   
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Thats a really nice truck and yes it will be a better diesel then any Ford, more power then the 7.3s and better reliability then the 6.0s.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/27/2008 8:07:04 PM   
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I have a 04 6.0 with a 03 engine in it. I probley im one of the luckey ones 0 problems with it , My oasis report  was clean on the truck .gets 24.5 mpg runs like a top now keep in mind i never have chiped it , Really dont see a need to on thiese trucks .stock they do just find when you start pushing the envelope thats when you run into problems .I got it  used with 70,000 miles on the clicker and now she has 83,000 oil and filters get changed every 5500 miles .the most important part with any diesel is stay on top of your oil and fuel filters changes take care of it and it will take care of you.  I do have duels with no muffler, no cat , EGR delete and accufab intake elbow  .Topped off with a S&B intake . have Boost , Pryro and trans temp on the A-piller .I love my f-250 But This is what i love the most about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TVICyyZrWc

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/27/2008 8:27:27 PM   
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there is no way you can get 24.5 mpg my 06 gets 16 to 18 going down hill 100 percent BS on that one.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/27/2008 9:32:28 PM   
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I believe it my brother in law's 06 is lifted 8" on 37s and gets 18-19mpg. He has a programmer, cai, stacks, egr delete, and prob more he won't tell me about lol.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/27/2008 11:05:56 PM   
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there is no way you can get 24.5 mpg my 06 gets 16 to 18 going down hill 100 percent BS on that one.



My 04 stock other than a edge box (stock exhaust , stock air filter , full egr system etc)  got 20 on a regular basis .. HAND calculated..  It would always get 19 or so and it got 20 fairly often..  I always thought if i would drive it right and had a really long run i could get 21 -22 but never got the chance when i was not in a hurry..   I got 20 running 75 mph and trying to keep from passing and romping on it a bunch..  It was a 4 x 4 auto  f250..  Knowing that i could see a  2wd, 6 speed getting close to 24 with the right driver.. 

Now my 07 is a totally different animal..  the stock tires on it are nearly 34 inches tall and with the 20' s that came on it..  17 is the best i have gotten to date..  But then again i run it 80 plus everywhere i go..  Dang  i miss my 04 it was NEVER in the shop..  Can't say that for my 07

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/27/2008 11:10:38 PM   
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there is no way you can get 24.5 mpg my 06 gets 16 to 18 going down hill 100 percent BS on that one.

Maybe you should go down hill a little faster .
Your running a 4x4 with lift and 35 inch tires .of couse your getting crappy mileage.
My truck is a 2-wheel drive. towing I get 16 to 18 .around town  13 to 14 .   

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/28/2008 9:53:43 AM   
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My old 2wd 2002 Cummins got 24 on the highway and 19-20 in the city.  But a 4x4 with big tires - dream on!  Taking it easy I have seen 19 on the highway.

That truck on Ebay is nice - I wouldnt worry about the Edge being on the truck - it will actually protect more than it will hurt.  The attitude is a "smart chip" that de-fuels and wont let the truck hurt itself (in theroy). 

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/28/2008 6:43:04 PM   
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i wasnt talk about hurt the motor i was talking about hurtin the stock automatic tranny

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/29/2008 5:41:14 PM   
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Well, haven't heard this question in awhile, better grab some coffee and type up my report.

So you want a diesel. Im not going to tell you to buy a gas or which diesel to buy, just things I know about each diesel.

You say 03 or newer this means you have a choice of 4 motors. The CR 5.9 Cummins and 6.7 Cummins, the 7.3, 6.0 or 6.4 powerstroke and the LB7,LLY,LBZ and LMM 6.6L Duramaxes.

Im going to go out on a limb and assume you want an 03-07 pre emmisions, 4x4 with an automatic. Now heres my schpiel.

So weve narrowed it down to the CR5.9, 7.3 and 6.0, and the LB7,LLY and LBZ 6.6.

Lets start with the Dodge Cummins. The First two years of the CR Cummins were pretty good, a few had some minor motor problems but still the legendary stout Cummins that we've come to know. The Automatic transmissions were fairly stout as far as dodge automatics go but still gave some trouble with not holding to torque of the cummins. I personally love the cummins motor and the AAM axles, but dont like everything else thats wrapped around it.

Just so you know Chevy and Dodge use the same axles. The rears are AAM1150s and the fronts are AAM950s, GMs version is the IFS, and dodges is the SFA.

Next lets talk about the Duramax, ehich I drive and know a lot about. 03-04 still had the LB7(300hp). 04.5-05 had the LLY(310hp) and the 06-07 trucks had the LBZ(360hp).
The LB7 motor is a good simple motor. The only problems they had were injector failure. Gm introduced a 7 year 200,000 mile warrenty on these. Its technically not a warrenty but I will call it that because it shares the same priciples. This engine had no emmisions controls on it. It is the loudest of the DMax family but for its model year was the quietest out of the big 3. Some LB7s had EGR and a CAT for certain states, But not many.

The LLY was the replacement for the LB7. It was tweaked in quite a few ways. The biggest advantage to this motor was that the injector problems were fixed. The LLY also recieved standard EGR on all models and a Garrett Variable Geometry turbo. The 6.0 and Cummins both had Variable turbos too. The LLY is much quieter than the LB7. Now the problems. The biggest problem with these motors was overheating. It didnt happen to everybody, but when towing they could overheat. Blocking the EGR really helps this out and costs under $50. They also had problems with injector 1 and 7 wiring harnesses falling off. There is a fix for this and it is not a big deal. Other than that it was a pretty stout motor that is easy to get a lot of power out of.

Next was the LBZ. A lot was changed to bump the power up to 360hp. A bigger CP3 pump was added and the compression ratio was lowered to 17:1. Along with a lower compression ratio the pistons also had a new bowl design. Not many problems or complaints with this motor, except it is a thirsty motor. This motor is almost quieter than its gas counterparts.

Now lets talk about the Allison. Argueably one of the strongest autos put in a passenger vehicle but it does have its downsides. 01-05 all share a 5spd Allison. 01-02 had a different TCM than 03-04. In 03-04 they added the 5th gear lockout feature so as to prevent limping the trans in 5th gear. 04.5-05 had a different computer so that the trans could interface with the new motor. 06-07 had the new 6spd which is just a different valvebody and TCM. The nice thing about these trans is the adaptice learning and the tow haul mode. The adaptive learning constantly logs data snd adapts to your driving style to make it seem like the shifts aren't there. The Tow haul feature provides grade braking, and also locks up the TC in gears 2-5(6) to keep temps down. The 06-07 had a manual tap shift mode also.

And now the Fords. Cant say anything bad about the 7.3. Some had camshaft position sensor issues but thats about it. It is a loud motor and isnt the quickest, but it is very reliable. Just make sure you have good oil in it becuase the injectors are fired using the engine oil. This idea was borrowed from CAT.

Then theres the 6.oh no. 03-04 were bad years. Headgasket problems, turbo problems, EGR problems and injecto problems. I could elaborate, but Ill just say stay away from them. If you want a 6.0 get an 05-07.

The Ford trannies are decent, but the electronics on them can give some troubles. Ford seems to have troubles with electronics on a lot of vehicles.


Now as for the DMax not being able to tow, id have to beg to differ. All of our Dmaxes see a GCWR of over 40,000lbs regularily, and handle it fine. I dont know what you mean by cant tow.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Buying a diesel?????? - 7/29/2008 5:55:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HondaGuy

I want to point out something that suprisingly enough hasn't been brought up yet, REPAIR COSTS specifically labor charges. Do some checking on this and you will find that the Cummins Rams are consistantly the cheapest to fix if any problem is encountered.


The Cummins repair costs are the lowest, Duramax is a close second and the 6.0 powerstroke is a distant 3rd because in order to do any major work you have to remove the body.

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ORIGINAL: HondaGuy
Look under the hood of a new Ford 6.4 and you will say the same thing I did ****!!!! Where did the engine go?! Lastly look under the hood of ANY cummins 5.9 or the new 6.7 and you can see all of the engine block on both sides enough to get all the casting #s off of it if you were so inclined.


The New Cummins is filled with the same emissions equipment as the other trucks, the motor is an Inline motor so it doesnt fill the space like the others. But Ill say the 6.4 is the biggest maze of wires, and duct work that ive ever seen. I really dont know why they decided to try to package sequential turbos in there. Im guessing marketing.

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ORIGINAL: HondaGuy
On the Ford 6.4, if you have any problems with it you can plan on taking the cab off the frame to work on the engine, thats what the Ford service manual tells you to do! A freind of mine works at a Ford dealer and he told me once that the labor for changing an injector on a 6.4 is 34.7hrs, holy $#!%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can do that in 1hr or less on a Cummins!


You can have an entire set of Duramax injectors swapped in 10 hours if you know what your doing. The 1hr on a 6.7 Cummins is a bit of a stretch maybe on a 12v.

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ORIGINAL: HondaGuy
As far as who has the best/most reliable disel out there is no comparison the Cumins is the best by far. Having said that the 06-07 6.0 Powerstroke Fords would be my next choice good power and by those two years they had almost all of the bugs worked out. Chevys are my last choice just because of the IFS and weaker axles then their competition from Dodge and Ford. Also the Allison trans might be tough but it shifts like crap no fun at all untill you put a programmer in it and then its still not great.


What are your reasons for ranking the 6.0 over the duramax. Not trying to speculate just curious.

The IFS is a big downfall but there are cheap fixes.

Simply adding tie rod sleeves will prevent the tie rods from ever breaking and it can be done for as little as $50, or free if you know the right people.

A straight Centerlink will further improve the IFS by keeping the wheels pointed straight. This can be done for under $300

These two simple items will give you a reliable front end and allow you to keep the legendary ride and push button simplicity of the GM IFS.

But Ill still admit that its not the best for some of us. But for the guy who drives it every day, its just fine.

Whos allison did you drive. Even when mine was completely burnt up it shifted smoother than dodge or ford trannies?? Did you ride in one just after a tuner was installed?? Then the shifts are rough because the TAPS cells are cleared and it need