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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 7:55:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont know what the other team is. The way I look at it is they have cc classes you should run in your class. Its as simple as that. Adam was disputed in nac and no one could prove it because no one had teh proper tools. Im honest and I guess i exspect that out of others but apparently thats where im out fo my element. My parents raised me to be honest and never helped me cheat at anything in life but I guess thats why ive had a good job and a house since I was 18.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 7:56:42 PM   
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If they did not break any rules, what gives. Sounds like people are mad because they were outsmarted. Just like the skimmer bikes. No one was complaining when they didn't work. First time they worked(at dirty dog) all heck broke lose. When ever someone pushes the envelope, they become cheaters? Also, I remeber someone saying they knew of two teams. Why is the other team not being mentioned. Maybe because they are alot bigger team? Maybe because they have a major sponsor? DO the math and figure out who else might be smarter than the average bear.

And it seems funny this wasn't brought up when the two fueding parties were friends. Seems like a move out of spite.


wow,  you sure do think that you know alot, who is the other team??????  skimmers are out of control when they start with their huge shot of nos and a 10 ft entry into the pit!!!!  different comparison, not apples to apples!!!   what does John gain is a GREAT question, though!!  what's up???

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:05:11 PM   
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I dont know what the other team is. The way I look at it is they have cc classes you should run in your class. Its as simple as that. Adam was disputed in nac and no one could prove it because no one had teh proper tools. Im honest and I guess i exspect that out of others but apparently thats where im out fo my element. My parents raised me to be honest and never helped me cheat at anything in life but I guess thats why ive had a good job and a house since I was 18.


Hey MIKE, there are NO tools to do this!!!!!     what happens when the artic cat bolt ons go over 990cc????   r u NOT going to run them????????  honesty????  but come on even you said 650 in a 500????  isnt that legal in c m r?????  we all know thta c m r are changing rules for next year but IS IT "CHEATING"???

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:17:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without speculating, lets just ask Mr Cannon who the other team is. I would bet it isn't Hilifters team. Then we can hear it straight from the horses mouth. Seems quick to throw the mudnutz under the bus. Who is the other team John? Or should we be selective in who gets crucified?

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:19:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok the a/c wont bolt on over 990 thats a freakin rumor. To answer your question my pockets arent as deep as yalls and no if it is bending the rules I wont. What the he!! is so wrong with being honest huh Trey? If they do make a kit doesnt that put it in the open class? Heres my question to you. The only differance between the 650 and the 500 can am is the crank? So if you put a 650 crank in a 500 it will be a 650? So the only differance on the 650 would then be the stamps? Now that its a 650 and your running the 500 class then your not running the right class? Wouldnt that be cheating?

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:21:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do the rules say you can't change the crank? If so, then yeah, it would be cheating. If not, nope. Simply pushing the limits.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:22:28 PM   
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Without speculating, lets just ask Mr Cannon who the other team is. I would bet it isn't Hilifters team. Then we can hear it straight from the horses mouth. Seems quick to throw the mudnutz under the bus. Who is the other team John? Or should we be selective in who gets crucified?
I can say this, if there is another team they do a way better job of hiding it than Adam does. The 500 class is really even till you see Adam blowing the doors off the other 500s. Everyone in the final is racing for second and theres always good racung out the other 2 bikes.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:24:01 PM   
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Do the rules say you can't change the crank? If so, then yeah, it would be cheating. If not, nope. Simply pushing the limits.
Yah but changing the crank makes it a 650 it would be just like buying a 650 motor. Its the only differance between the 2.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:40:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		So who are the other teams or team? Johnsaid he knew of a few teams doing this. WHo are they? Enquiring minds wanna know.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:44:44 PM   
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If they did not break any rules, what gives. Sounds like people are mad because they were outsmarted. Just like the skimmer bikes. No one was complaining when they didn't work. First time they worked(at dirty dog) all heck broke lose. When ever someone pushes the envelope, they become cheaters? Also, I remeber someone saying they knew of two teams. Why is the other team not being mentioned. Maybe because they are alot bigger team? Maybe because they have a major sponsor? DO the math and figure out who else might be smarter than the average bear.

And it seems funny this wasn't brought up when the two fueding parties were friends. Seems like a move out of spite.


wow,  you sure do think that you know alot, who is the other team??????  skimmers are out of control when they start with their huge shot of nos and a 10 ft entry into the pit!!!!  different comparison, not apples to apples!!!   what does John gain is a GREAT question, though!!  what's up???


When the skimmers were first brought out they were raced in the open class with regular atvs. There was no seperate class. No one complaied when they failed to skim and were just sitting in the pit floating. BUT when the first one did it. All you heard from the other racers was "We gotta ban those" I was there.


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Do the rules say you can't change the crank? If so, then yeah, it would be cheating. If not, nope. Simply pushing the limits.
Yah but changing the crank makes it a 650 it would be just like buying a 650 motor. Its the only differance between the 2.


But he didn't buy the 650. He bought the 500. Just because they changed some parts around doesn't change the fact that the bike is a 500.. Hondas have BBKs is that fair. How about the AC 650s and Kawi 650s... How big can those go without anyone knowing.. How about Yamaha they have an 800 single for them.. Heck even the Rincon has a giant motor available...
Do you think the guys that are in the top ten every year in Nascar are just better drivers. Nascar rules are set where all cars are supposed to equal.. Nope.. Its the race teams pushing the limits (bending,breaking rules) that put them in the top ten.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:50:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dude the only thing that makes that bike a 500 is the stamp on the jug. Im done with this. I can see that honesty, repsect and morals dont count for anything. I didnt see this coming from some of these guys either. I guess im not a good judge of charactor.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 8:57:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again, who are the other teams?

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:05:49 PM   
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 I watched that bike time in and time out pull two bike lengths in front of the others.  And all they ever stated that they have a special cultch set up that does it.  Come on.  It is a 650 CC bike and it should have raced in the 650 CC class.  If he would have done that no one would have a problem.  The fact is that he just took a 650 motor out of another bike and placed it into a 500 frame.  Plain and simple guys..  Yes you can bore any bike out but when you go to a certain CC you need to go to that class..  That why I race the unlimited and I am racing agaist the other guys that have though out how they want their bikes to run.  It is a unlimited class...  Rules are rules...  C M R is a 500 to 650 class so he was fine in that series but the other is where he broke the rules.  And if I remember I seen that 500/650 bike at Mud Nats in front..

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:14:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey Mike how would u fix this?????  what did HL do to adam with the complaint at Nac?

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:16:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		so if took my 500 vinson and put a 700h1 jug and pston on it would that be cheating

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:20:59 PM   
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hey Mike how would u fix this?????  what did HL do to adam with the complaint at Nac?
From what I remember they didnt do a thing. I really dont know how you would fix this problem. Im no mechanic so I could tell you how you could tell unless you tear the motor down. Like Jermey Sabine said
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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		man i spent a worthless 10 mins reading this thread. if hes whooping you every weekend take your whoopin like a man and step your game up and quit cryin.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:42:12 PM   
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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:55:11 PM   
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so if took my 500 vinson and put a 700h1 jug and pston on it would that be cheating


Only if you ran it in the 500 CC class...  Come on guys just use the math skills..

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 9:57:41 PM   
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man i spent a worthless 10 mins reading this thread. if hes whooping you every weekend take your whoopin like a man and step your game up and quit cryin.

so your saying everyone should cheat to?

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 10:08:30 PM   
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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 10:13:57 PM   
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if doin what u gotta do to beat him is cheating then ya or just sell your bikes and start playin tennis or something haha!
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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 10:34:09 PM   
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man i spent a worthless 10 mins reading this thread. if hes whooping you every weekend take your whoopin like a man and step your game up and quit cryin.


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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 11:02:26 PM   
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I did put the Mud Nutz sticker on the front so its probably around 90hp now.


Seriously folks.......... give it a rest.   

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/9/2008 11:13:41 PM   
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man i spent a worthless 10 mins reading this thread. if hes whooping you every weekend take your whoopin like a man and step your game up and quit cryin.


BIG MOOOOOOSSEE  !!! Good to see your still alive ...drop a buddy a line evey now and then , Amanda asked about you the other day , oh pm me yoru number again I might be in B.R. at the end of this up coming week ....
but i got to tell ya EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED since the last time you and i raced each other.  


ya man i can tell im not gonna say anything else dont wanna stir everyone up.

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/10/2008 12:37:52 AM   
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Wait until I get the new 650 Max done.  I'm putting it in the Kiddy Bog.  Poor Kids!  

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/10/2008 8:53:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, if anyone in this forum has a right to be pissed off if adam is cheating it would have to be me. Adam and I have been 1st and 2nd more times than I can remember this year in the 500 class. This is a topic that has gone on and on ever since mud nats, and I am just tired of hearing about it. The thing is this if they did cheat or are cheating it will catch up with them sooner or later, the second thing is it has been brought up to the officials as far as I know and nothing has been done about it, so either the officials don't care or there is not enough proof. If Adam is cheating he knows it and if not he knows it, but in the back of his mind he is the one who will have to live with it. Personally I am just going to keep on racing no matter what the case is and until something is done officially then who am I to make a bigger stink when nobody has any hard evidence. I have nothing against the ms mudnutz or adam and until something is proven by an official I will just let this be what it is, and continue to give the 500 class he!! on my 02 stock 500 vinson. If anyone would like to look at my motor feel free it is at every c m r event and if an official needs to check it out I will bring it to them. This goes for all of my bikes. My secret race gear is the BUTTER!  

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/10/2008 10:09:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		well said barry!  i agree.  they are the only ones that know and that will be the case until it is proven either way.  if they are within the rules then we just got outsmarted plain and simple.  if they are not then well there is not much to say there.  i like the mud nutz and hope that cheating is not the case but either way i will continue to race my 500 and try to catch him.  LOL  to be honest it is the little yellow butter zuki or that freak of nature 400 that russel races i am worried about.  LOL

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/10/2008 10:19:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		FO SHO!!!! Mark I hear ya brotha it is getting tight as can be from 2nd to 4th in that class and I think a little butter would loosen it up a bit! LOL I may have to use a little stick butter instead of the tub butter to get a longer wheelbase like you and russell, so I can slide on in there! LMAO

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RE: MS MUD NUTZ - 9/10/2008 10:22:41 AM