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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/7/2008 9:13:08 PM   
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aight... well it might be time to discuss your carb jetting with the guys in here that have modded 300s. i'm **** sure the 300 can turn 25" laws in about anything with the mods you have, especially since it seems like you don't have a locker yet.

just how "gutted" is your stock muffler? like, can you see clean through it from one end to the other? if so then an aftermarket pipe won't help much (if at all) since that is about as free flowing as you can get. i see that you did open up the exit pipe on the muffler which should help.

and for the sake of helping kristian along, can you guys with modded 300s post what jets you use(d) and any other carb adjustments you made?

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/8/2008 10:17:29 AM   
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If you purchased the Dynojet Kit for your 300, the largest mainjet provided with the kit would be a 132 size. Next would be a 130. I ran the Dynojet 132 mainjet, Dynojet needle, and an aftermarket free flowing exhaust on my '99 300 with a 1.5" free flowing snorkel. My bike was tuned as perfectly as it could be without being put on a dyno. There was no "pop," "miss," or hesitation anywhere throughout the rpm range. I could turn 26x12/26x9.5 Vampires fairly well in thick mud. But, it would occasionally bog slightly in thick mud. When the Outlaws came out in 26" sizes, I purchased a set of 26x12/26x10's and put them on my bike. I made no changes other than tires to my 300. I could not pull the Outlaws effectively in the same holes where I could easily turn the Vampires. So, I traded the 26" Outlaws to a buddy for a set of 26x10/25x9.5 Outlaws. I had could turn this setup better, but it would still bog in a few places where the mud was moderately thick. It also wouldn't perform as good because the narrower tires on the rear. Eventually, I went back with 26x12/26x9.5 Vampires. Again, it pulled this combo better then any of the Outlaws I ran and was awesome in the mud! That's why I try to inform people that when you ride in truly thick, nasty mud or even thick sludge, the 300's will run into power issues with overly aggressive tires. There is a lot of hype behind the power and gearing of the 300 that simply isn't true. I've owned 3 of them and ran probably 20 different tire setups on them. I know what the won't do without going into the motor. No amount of backpressuer or jetting or air intake sizing is going to be enough to compensate for your loss of power. These mods simply add more throttle response and make the bike more crisp when you crack the throttle. It sounds like it is doing a lot more than it really is. I hate to say it, but you're either going to have to change tires or go into the motor.  

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 12:03:33 AM   
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So in other words there is absolutley nothing else that I can do to make my bike turn the tires over except to go into the egine???.......I running a 124 jet going up to the 132 wouldn't help any?.....what about a clutch kit???

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 12:11:09 AM   
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oooohhhh.....and also....say like if I'm hooked up to someone to pull them out of a mudhole, my bike will not turn the tires over and make the bike hop up and down, then engine just bogs down and my clutch starts smoking thru my blow by hose...........does this help????

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 12:40:04 AM   
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Kristian,  On the 300, with a good flowing intake/exhaust you should be running at least a 128 main.  i'm running a 130 with my setup.  I know every bike is different but for where you live if a 124 feels right then you are not flowing good enough.  If you arn't flowing to your full advantage then jumping up to a 132 is just gonna make your bike run bad until you increase the air flow to compensate for the added fuel. 

Second, do yourself a favor and get a clutch kit.  Cheap, easy to install and worth every penny when trying to turn over taller/more aggresive tires.

I'm sorry folks but a properly tuned 300 with a clutch kit will spin 25" wide/narrow laws in the thick stuff, especially with Hondas 3x4 (2x4 if one fronts in the air).  It might bog a little but it shouldn't shut them completely down.

Not trying to compare the two but I got in some pretty thick junk this past weekend and completely stopped in the middle of it, then dumped it and got the MudZillas spinning over again.....and thats with 27" tall tires and a spool locker.

With your setup I'd expect a slight bog but not what you are experiencing, not in 1st gear.  With your comment about your clutch smoking you might need to look into that closer.....when you are installing your clutch kit would be a good time.

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 10:46:52 AM   
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Sorry about what I previously mentioned on the jets I'am currently running a 128 main jet, thinking of upping it to the 132 main jet but do not know yet.

So, do think a clutch kit is the direction that I need to go???, will this restore my lost torque.... enuff to spin them laws???

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 3:45:25 PM   
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Kristian,  If your bike is RUNNING great with the 128 in it now, then more than likely the 132 will be too much.  You can't just say, I want more power, i'll go with a bigger jet.  you will also need to add more airflow (Intake and Exhaust) to compensate for the added fuel, and the 300 will only flow so much.  If you are running a little lean right now then you may be able to bump up to the 130, but the power won't be overwhelmingly different.

More than anything I recommend a clutch kit.  Heck I'd have one with stock 23/24" tires.  While you are in there check your cyntrifical cluch shoes and make sure they are ok, since you mentioned the smoking them in the earlier post.  If you do get a clutch kit PM me and I'll help you along installing it if you need it.

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 6:51:16 PM   
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Allright, thanks Ben.

Here's some more info.......you know how if you put the front of your fourwheeler against a tree and gas it full throttle, then 9 times out of 10 it will spin the tires????....well I can gas on my bike full throttle and the tires wont move and the engine really doesn't raise in RPM's very much at all, I even tried shifting up to first and holding up on the shifter (in the false neutral) raising the RPM's and then dropping the shifter down and my bike still wouldn't spin the tires over......i guess I just don't have enuff engine power.....anyone with some new 25" or 26" vamps on aluminum rims wanna trade me??? LOL

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 9:53:57 PM   
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Allright, thanks Ben.

Here's some more info.......you know how if you put the front of your fourwheeler against a tree and gas it full throttle, then 9 times out of 10 it will spin the tires????....well I can gas on my bike full throttle and the tires wont move and the engine really doesn't raise in RPM's very much at all, I even tried shifting up to first and holding up on the shifter (in the false neutral) raising the RPM's and then dropping the shifter down and my bike still wouldn't spin the tires over......i guess I just don't have enuff engine power.....anyone with some new 25" or 26" vamps on aluminum rims wanna trade me??? LOL


kristian it truly sounds like your quad needs engine work because I have had no trouble turning over 25" tall High Lifter Outlaws on both a 1990 and 2001 Honda Fourtrax 300 one being a two wheel drive model and the other being a four wheel drive model.

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 10:07:46 PM   
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Allright, thanks Ben.

Here's some more info.......you know how if you put the front of your fourwheeler against a tree and gas it full throttle, then 9 times out of 10 it will spin the tires????....well I can gas on my bike full throttle and the tires wont move and the engine really doesn't raise in RPM's very much at all, I even tried shifting up to first and holding up on the shifter (in the false neutral) raising the RPM's and then dropping the shifter down and my bike still wouldn't spin the tires over......i guess I just don't have enuff engine power.....anyone with some new 25" or 26" vamps on aluminum rims wanna trade me??? LOL


kristian it truly sounds like your quad needs engine work because I have had no trouble turning over 25" tall High Lifter Outlaws on both a 1990 and 2001 Honda Fourtrax 300 one being a two wheel drive model and the other being a four wheel drive model.


I agree, somethings not right.  You should be digging a hole/bouncing around up next to that tree.  If you say the RPM's stay low/bog too then that sort of eliminates the clutch as it's engaging keeping the motor bogged.  If it's not smoking, has compression, etc. then I believe it isn't quite tuned right.  My wifes wore out, smokin', knockin' '88 300 2x4 will dig a hole trying to push the tree over in 1st with 25x12's on it.  Granted they aren't Laws but yours should have more umph than that.

Ben

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Snorkel _ FO-4
NOS _ Clutch Kit
HL 2" Lift _ Warn 424
HL Spool Locker
512 Shocks
HL Spring on rear
Venom 3K winch
27" MudZillas

'88 Honda 300 2x4 Wife's
1" lift _ ITP Steel Wheels
25x12.5" Super Swamper TSL's

Gettin' Muddy!
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/11/2008 10:28:47 PM   
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Kristian, there is nothing wrong with your bike mechanically. The 300 simply doesn't have the grunt for that aggressive of a tire. Especially in a wider size. A clutch kit will help a little. But, not enough to turn the Outlaws in the thick stuff. If your not going to go into the motor, you're just wasting your $$.  Only other solution is to either get rid of the 12's out back for a set of 9.5's, or get a different tire on all 4. The thick mud you're in is only gonna make you pull your hair out trying to pull the Laws! I've been through this before with my 300. I learned the hard way.

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07 Buffalo Gap 3rd-0-500/3rd-501+up
07 Spring MudFest 3rd 0-400
07 Can-Am Nats 2nd-0-400
08 C.M.R Mudfest 2nd 0-400
08 Bayou Mud Racing 3rd 701+up
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08 C.M.R CanAm Nats Mud Drag 2nd
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/12/2008 9:18:34 AM   
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I know they are different tires, but I had a 19 300 with 26" MSTs on it and used it constantly to pull heavy loads.  It would jump and buck and dig holes, but it would spin the tires in packed gravel.  That was pulling a trailer loaded with wood, and about 100# on the front fack and 50# on the rear rack.  The machine was an absolute tank with no modifications.  Something just doesn't sound right.  Have you checked your spark plug?  What does it look like?  That might help us to determine if it is running rich or lean. 
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/12/2008 4:46:23 PM   
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I know they are different tires, but I had a 19 300 with 26" MSTs on it and used it constantly to pull heavy loads.  It would jump and buck and dig holes, but it would spin the tires in packed gravel.  That was pulling a trailer loaded with wood, and about 100# on the front fack and 50# on the rear rack.  The machine was an absolute tank with no modifications.  Something just doesn't sound right.  Have you checked your spark plug?  What does it look like?  That might help us to determine if it is running rich or lean. 
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Regardless if it is running a little rich or a little lean, it's not going to make that big of a difference. Basically, if his bike is not missing throughout the throttle range, then there is no jetting issue. The level of traction the lugs on the Outlaws offer is FAR SUPERIOR to those found on the MST's. Your MST's have a lug that crosses the centerline of the tire. They also do not have any voids or flat spots between lugs throughout the entire rotation of the tire. This allows them to slip and spin on hard pack surfaces. The Outlaws on the other hand, have voids basically between every lug on the tire. This means that the lugs are biting in or on any surface. This force creates resistance from the wheels, through the driveline all the way to the crank of the engine. That traction taxes every available power reserve from an engine. Sometimes, there's just not enough @$$ there to get the job done. I don't understand why some people believe that adding a jet kit, pipe and highflow intake system is like adding a supercharger, turbo charger or NOS to a bike.   There is not much to be gained powerwise from these mods. The power will be crisper and it may rev better. But the lack of compression, torque and gearing is where both the problem and the solution can be found.

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07 Spring MudFest 3rd 0-400
07 Can-Am Nats 2nd-0-400
08 C.M.R Mudfest 2nd 0-400
08 Bayou Mud Racing 3rd 701+up
08 PSR Texas Mudfest Pro A 1st R1
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/12/2008 4:47:39 PM   
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svon89 ,

forgot to mention that you have a very clean 300 there. i love the old blue plastics.

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07 SkoolzOut Easter Bog 1st-501+up
07 Buffalo Gap 3rd-0-500/3rd-501+up
07 Spring MudFest 3rd 0-400
07 Can-Am Nats 2nd-0-400
08 C.M.R Mudfest 2nd 0-400
08 Bayou Mud Racing 3rd 701+up
08 PSR Texas Mudfest Pro A 1st R1
08 PSR Texas Mudfest Pro A 1st R2
08 C.M.R CanAm Nats Mud Drag 2nd
08 C.M.R. H'coming C3 Bog 3rd
08 C.M.R. H'coming SwampX C1 3rd
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/12/2008 5:17:06 PM   
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Well kristian, with all this said, wher edo you stand on your decission?

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/13/2008 7:27:13 PM   
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Allright, I want to bore it 0.40 over with a high compression piston. I need to know where I can get oiler cooler kit my for Honda 300??? and how much it's going to cost???. Also if anyone could post some links for me for the part I'm looking for I would really appreciate it. Also is this going to solve my tire turning issue??? thanks

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-Jetted
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/13/2008 8:26:14 PM   
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Yes, that should allow you to pull the 25" Laws nicely. I really don't know of anyone that offers an oil cooler kit for a 300. You can get one from Advanced Auto, Auto Zone or O'Reilly's for about $60, cut and splice into your oil line, then route the hose to the cooler and then back into the oil line at the head. From my experience, I will caution you not to run a fan with your oil cooler. It will cool too effeciently causing condensation to build up in the oil, which is just like getting water in the crank case.

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05 Mudstock-1st-IRS
06 Mudstock 2nd-0-400
06 Cypress Creek 1st 400cc/3rd 400-599
07 SkoolzOut Easter Bog 1st-501+up
07 Buffalo Gap 3rd-0-500/3rd-501+up
07 Spring MudFest 3rd 0-400
07 Can-Am Nats 2nd-0-400
08 C.M.R Mudfest 2nd 0-400
08 Bayou Mud Racing 3rd 701+up
08 PSR Texas Mudfest Pro A 1st R1
08 PSR Texas Mudfest Pro A 1st R2
08 C.M.R CanAm Nats Mud Drag 2nd
08 C.M.R. H'coming C3 Bog 3rd
08 C.M.R. H'coming SwampX C1 3rd
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/13/2008 10:53:35 PM   
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Yes, that should allow you to pull the 25" Laws nicely. I really don't know of anyone that offers an oil cooler kit for a 300. You can get one from Advanced Auto, Auto Zone or O'Reilly's for about $60, cut and splice into your oil line, then route the hose to the cooler and then back into the oil line at the head. From my experience, I will caution you not to run a fan with your oil cooler. It will cool too effeciently causing condensation to build up in the oil, which is just like getting water in the crank case.


Very good point Cale, but I would imagine that after boring his 300 over 0.040 he shouldn't have this problem.  The engine should already have enough of an increase in temperature due to the intial boring and use of a high compression piston that an oil cooler fan wouldn't effect him.

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2005 Suzuki King Quad 700
Xtreme 3" Lift Kit (Front)
Moose 2" Lift Kit (Rear)
DynoJet Power Commander PCi 3
Highlifter Overload Springs (Front/Rear)
EPI Super Duty Clutch Kit
SuperTrapp Mud Slinger Exhaust Kit
TwinAir Air Filter
Xtreme SD 3000lb Winch w/ Synthetic Rope
Performance Disc Brakes (Front)
Highlifter (4) 29.5x10x12 Outlaws
ITP C-4 Series 12x7" Rims (Front/Rear)
Warn HD Front Bumper

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/13/2008 10:58:25 PM   
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Yes, that should allow you to pull the 25" Laws nicely. I really don't know of anyone that offers an oil cooler kit for a 300. You can get one from Advanced Auto, Auto Zone or O'Reilly's for about $60, cut and splice into your oil line, then route the hose to the cooler and then back into the oil line at the head. From my experience, I will caution you not to run a fan with your oil cooler. It will cool too effeciently causing condensation to build up in the oil, which is just like getting water in the crank case.


Very good point Cale, but I would imagine that after boring his 300 over 0.040 he shouldn't have this problem.  The engine should already have enough of an increase in temperature due to the intial boring and use of a high compression piston that an oil cooler fan wouldn't effect him.


The bike i'm speaking of where there was condesation build up was a Foreman 450 bored and stroked to a 550. So, you can imagine the extra heat build up there. With the fan on, the oil cooler would create condensation. With the fan removed, the bike and operating temp was fine.

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 12:17:52 AM   
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Yes, that should allow you to pull the 25" Laws nicely. I really don't know of anyone that offers an oil cooler kit for a 300. You can get one from Advanced Auto, Auto Zone or O'Reilly's for about $60, cut and splice into your oil line, then route the hose to the cooler and then back into the oil line at the head. From my experience, I will caution you not to run a fan with your oil cooler. It will cool too effeciently causing condensation to build up in the oil, which is just like getting water in the crank case.


Very good point Cale, but I would imagine that after boring his 300 over 0.040 he shouldn't have this problem.  The engine should already have enough of an increase in temperature due to the intial boring and use of a high compression piston that an oil cooler fan wouldn't effect him.


The bike i'm speaking of where there was condesation build up was a Foreman 450 bored and stroked to a 550. So, you can imagine the extra heat build up there. With the fan on, the oil cooler would create condensation. With the fan removed, the bike and operating temp was fine.


A 100cc bore is no joke but I still find that surprising that both the oil cooler fan produced condensation and that without the fan in place the motor ran at a nominal operation temperature.

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 12:05:45 PM   
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Where is this oil line that you speak of on my bike???.....and are you talking about putting a vehicle oil cooler on  my Honda 300???

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 1:46:23 PM   
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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 7:27:13 PM   
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look I'm asking serious questions for a problem that I need to solve, If I had the money to buy a bigger bike then I would, but at this point I don't,,, so if you can't answer my questions then stay off my post, thank you

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 7:29:31 PM   
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Ok, guys....Where exactly are the oil lines, that I would tap into because I don't see any on my bike.....and what kind of oil cooler would I putting on there??? (a vehicle oil cooler)???.....would a rancher oil cooler work???

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 7:38:41 PM   
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I think the one's Auto Zone sells are actually transmission cooler's, which are roughly the same thing as an oil cooler. I will try and post a link to a pic of the one my friend used. However, a stock unit from a Rancher would work also. But, they're small and don't offer much cooling capacity.

SiPPMSH, the oil cooler used on the bike that condensated was a stock unit from a Suzuki Hyabusa street bike. So, it may have had something to do with the cooling capacity of the bike. Also, by them being air cooled with oil assisted, a fan would serve better pulling air over the fins on the topend of the engine IMO.

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RE: I CANT TURN THEM!!!!! - 2/14/2008 7:52:12 PM   
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Ok, well my friend has a parts rancher and I can get an the oil cooler off of it. So how would I hook this oil cooler up to my Honda 300......I need specific details...thanks

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