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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/8/2007 11:20:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe Mudders Mag will post a pic they don't plan to use in their article. Otherwise it will be a while. If you look at the jacked up Polaris 90 that is in Scotts pics and elsewhere those are 31x11x14 rears all around and that is it in the pic in this thread with the 29.5 standing beside it.

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/8/2007 12:39:42 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/8/2007 3:39:15 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/13/2007 2:43:57 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/13/2007 3:06:33 PM   
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I read this entire post looking for some good info.  I now have only one question:

When does xchool start again???


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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/13/2007 3:23:50 PM   
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Pics will be up soon just waiting until the next issue mails out.
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/20/2007 5:02:18 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/25/2007 12:41:37 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/25/2007 12:45:43 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/25/2007 2:35:05 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/28/2007 4:42:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice write-up and great pics in the new edition of Mudder's Mag!

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/28/2007 8:44:16 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/30/2007 3:23:33 AM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/30/2007 7:21:49 AM   
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Let me know what you think.

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/30/2007 8:41:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks MUDDERS MAG1! those action pics are sick! they are awesome looking tires. now i really can't wait to get these things! deposit well spent!

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/30/2007 12:46:04 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 8/30/2007 4:22:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im going to put them 31" Laws on my 500 when I get the gear reduction done and my motor finished!!  But im going to wait a year, and hopefully by then the price will be down and what not.

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/7/2007 7:43:40 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/18/2007 3:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just got the 4" lift I just need some 31" Laws.  I noticed that the 9" tires do not have as much side lug as the 11".  Are they going to stay that way?  Thanks Rob

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/19/2007 2:33:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just subscribed to Mudders Mag i hope they send me the issue with the review of the 31's.

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/19/2007 5:17:37 PM   
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I just got the 4" lift I just need some 31" Laws.  I noticed that the 9" tires do not have as much side lug as the 11".  Are they going to stay that way?  Thanks Rob


I think that's just the "prototype" and the actual production models will have the same sidewall lugs on the 29.5 outlaws

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/20/2007 7:28:09 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/20/2007 10:20:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		when are they releasing the 31's. tell me is this the truth. i heard that if you have not already pre-ordered them that it is going to be a while. the first 16 containers are already sold. that means that its going to be a while before anybody orders them and will get them like a week or so.

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/26/2007 1:10:27 PM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 9/30/2007 9:40:06 PM   
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IMO...the weight is not the most important factor here. 

The primary factors will be the moment arm created by the tire radius and the coefficient of static friction while in the mud.  Let me clarify.  The longer the distance from the center of the hub to the tread surface, the more difficult they will be to turn.  This is the same effect as adding a longer cheater bar.  More length = more leverage...This is a direct proportion so assuming equal weight, you already have a 5% more difficult time turning them simply due to height.  Then you have to consider the static friction.  Static friction is the amount of force needed to make an object at rest start turning.  This requires a much greater force than dynamic friction(drag on tires that are already turning).  This number is alot more difficult to calculate accurate, as it will vary from surface to surface and also be thrown off by the 31s having lugs that are not identical to 29.5s.  For simplification purposes, I'm going to assume the same tread pattern and that the "true" width = advertised width.  A 31x11" tire has 1071.28 square inches of surface area.  This is the "contact patch" if you will.  A 29.5x12" tire has 1112.12 square inches of contact patch.  Interesting fact here.  Judging by pure surface area(again, not a "true" reading) but the 29.5 has more contact patch and thus are harder to turn.  How much harder, 1.04%. 
 
So, judging by these two factors the 31 should only be about 4% harder to turn.  Again, there is more factors at work here than what I've explained.  Overall, expect them to take 6-8% more power to turn than the 29.5s.

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 10/3/2007 8:51:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok so is the 31's better then the 29.5's? i don't mean in a water hole i would like to see a test with them in the black stuff.. think stuff not water.. also i see the grizzly with the 31's on had no foot wells?.. is this because of lack of clearance or just preference?.. I'm trying to figure out to go with the 31's x11 or 29's x12..... what are the pros and cons of both?.. I'm located in northern Canada and the mud we have here is black mud in power lines and stuff..

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 10/4/2007 9:26:09 PM   
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ok so is the 31's better then the 29.5's? i don't mean in a water hole i would like to see a test with them in the black stuff.. think stuff not water.. also i see the grizzly with the 31's on had no foot wells?.. is this because of lack of clearance or just preference?.. I'm trying to figure out to go with the 31's x11 or 29's x12..... what are the pros and cons of both?.. I'm located in northern Canada and the mud we have here is black mud in power lines and stuff..


I think I can answer this one...Personally from all my experience in the ATV tire testing field, I'm going to bet that the 29.5" High Lifter Super Outlaws are going to be a better tire than the 31" Super Outlaws.  There are a few reasons I have to back up my opinion so here we go.  Super Outlaws are known for their height, tread depth, traction, and floating ability.  The 31x9x14 Super Outlaws, due to their extra lug on each side of the tire carcass, may aid a little bit in climbing but should definitely be expected to hinder performance in extremely thick mud riding as they have pushed all the lugs closer together, thereby limiting the amount of space these tires have to channel mud out and away form the center of the carcass.  This ability is what gives the Super Outlaw its impressive traction abilities.  Also, overall tire circumference/diameter is what can make or break your quad's drive train.  It should be much more difficult, especially at dead stop, to turn a 31" tall tire rather than a 29.5" tall tire.  This all rewinds back to static friction and how much power your quad must apply to overcome this force.  Another good fact is that Outlaws are great for floating across those extra deep mud holes.  Unfortunately, one of the key elements that allows a tire to do this is girth or surface area (overall mass).  The 31x11x14s although I'm sure would float just fine, will not have quite the same abilities in said conditions as the 29.5" Super Outlaws due to their overall width.  More overall displacement means that the tire can spread more weight out across the surface thereby causing less load over such a small area.  With all this said, I think the 29.5s are "Golden" and the need for improvement is almost not necessary, great height, great mudding abilities, great floater...overall...GREAT TIRE!

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 10/5/2007 5:57:30 AM   
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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 10/5/2007 5:26:31 PM   
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better cancel my order for 31x11x14's right away then


Maritime_Brute, ATV/Truck tires are quite an investment and should always be made only after all the necessary research is done.  With this said, by no means do I find the 31" High Lifter Super Outlaws a bad tire, as they should still perform much like the illustrious 29.5” Super Outlaws.  The differences between the two shouldn't be considered poor but more over, a very intelligent growing company decision.  Everybody is always looking for the next "big" thing and this is defiantly it, the largest ATV tire to date ever to be mounted to a four wheeler.  If nothing else this would have to stand the test of time that High Lifter is willing to go above and beyond the call of duty or competition to better themselves in the ATV field.  I think these guys deserve some overlooked gratitude for their accomplishments thus far and truthfully, I can't think of a better way to show your support than by purchasing their latest and greatest ATV products.  Although the final decision should ultimately be left up to the buyer, remember that all in all, you'll be helping a company who has put forth more than the necessary effort to get the job done and continue to look forward into the future for new and extremely useful ideas.  HL Staff, many don't realize how difficult it is now a days to come up with new ideas for any particular product base as by this point in our existence so many have thought up such great and innovative projects which have left little to the imagination to improve upon.  Because you guys have engineered something that was thought to be so far out of the box that is wouldn't be probable, I know how refreshing it must be have the ability to reap the benefits of a job well done.  Congratulations on topping the lot once again and I wish you folks nothing but successful accomplishments in the near and far future.  Heck, if you guys were to give up on your dreams, my life would be pretty dull...no more tires to test out!  LOL, thanks a lot guys, for everything you do!

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RE: Facts about 31" Outlaws - 10/5/2007 9:44:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		SiPPMSH i appologize! i was being very saracastic and in no way serious...i feel that these tires will be absolutely unbelievable and have no intentions in cancelling my order, i feel that since they are slightly narrower thus giving a better climbing ability out of hole yet  still holding a decently wide stance in order to still float adequately and obviously more ground clearance by a great deal as seen in the photos provided by mudders mag. imho i feel that they will be every bit as good a  tire as the 29.5's if not better.. providing they are put on a machine to properly man handle them. not saying that they will outdo the 29.5 but i can't see how the 29.5 would be the "better" tire!... i will agree 100% that i think Highlifter is doing an outstanding job on providing us with superior products and will continue to support them. i don't care that it costs me a small fortune to get these tires up here across the border...it is more than worth it...thank you highlifter and keep up the good work!

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