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BUSHHOG -> Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 11:34:14 AM)

It seems like almost everyday we see a new post or posts asking about comparing Mudlites & MST's. We also get several phone calls asking this same question daily. So this is an honest, straight forward attempt to list all of the "positive things only" about each of these "bias-belted" tires:

MUDLITE XL

1.Price
2.Light in weight
3.Rides smooth
4.Handles well at speed on hard surfaces
5.Handles lighter type mud OK
6.Good tread pattern
7.Good tread depth for an all-terrain type tire
8.True to height
9.6-ply rating
10.Designed by ITP

Outlaw MST

1.Rides smooth
2.handles well at speed on hard surfaces
3.considered a light tire, but not as light as a Mudlite.
4.Wears good on hard surfaces, ie: long tread life
5.handles deeper type mud decent for an all-terrain tire
6.Siping technology allows for traction on hard slick surfaces
7.Side wall wrap allows for a paddling effect in muddy water and snow. The side wall wrap can give the rider a shot at getting out of deep ruts. Side wall wrap is also siped to give traction against hard objects. ie: rocks,etc.
8.Has a more flat radial type profile putting more tire to any surface for better traction.
9.Good tread pattern
10.Good tread depth for an all-terrain tire
11.True to height
12.6-ply rating
13.Designed by High Lifter Products.

So..........choose your pick / pick your choose...........with care !!!!

With the above positive information on two good tires, your choise hopefully will be made a little easier. Remember, tires are an expensive long term purchase. Choose wisely, so you will really be happy you bought whatever you bought every time you go ride. Good Luck !!!!!



leonard -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 3:15:31 PM)

Posts like this and the OUTLAW VS (NAME ONE) threads should just get stickied so when people come looking you guys only get 5 questions about them aday  instead of 15 :P



TeamMudd -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 4:33:36 PM)

if i hadn't ran acroos the laws............i was heading for some mudlites mainly for the price, ride, and availibility!  now that i've tried the LAWS, i'm hooked!  although i was very happy with my XTR's (now on my wifes bike), which i bought used also.  hopefuly it will be a while before i need our next sets of tires, but it will most likely be headed to the HL store[:D]



Mudcon -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 4:50:31 PM)

good post Dan,  there are sooooooooooo many more better things about the mst's than the mudlites hands down.  my tests with both dont even come close.  the mudlite is a good tire dont get me wrong for what it is, but the mst is just so much better.  this thread need to be stickied up at the top moderators



SiPPMSH -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 5:00:08 PM)

I only have a few things I would like to add to Dan's post.  The ITP Mud Lites do have side wall tread but it's no where near that of the High Lifter Outlaw MST.  To date, no tire has the side wall tread that the High Lifter tires have and this is mainly because the Team at High Lifter realized the importance of sidewall tread and acted on it to better improve the already stunning tires that they have for sale.  Another question many forum members ask concerns the tread life of the Mud Lites.  Ultimately, these tires will hold up for a long time if properly taken care of, but so should just about any ATV tire.  However, extensive pavement/hard pack riding will wear these tires down a lot faster then some other tires as they are made of a soft rubber compound that is meant to aid in lug flex in those sloppy situations.



TeamMudd -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 5:04:42 PM)

one guy i talked to called the mudlite an "over the counter" tire.........they are pretty low in cost, and every one and there brother has them, or can get them........kinda like Small Block Chevy parts, haha



SiPPMSH -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 5:06:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TeamMudd

one guy i talked to called the mudlite an "over the counter" tire.........they are pretty low in cost, and every one and there brother has them, or can get them........kinda like Small Block Chevy parts, haha


The are correct as the ITP Mud Lite is a good all around tire and because of their price, many purchase them as "beginner" tires and mopve up from there.



Guest -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 5:08:18 PM)

MR.BUSHHOG have you personaly tested the mudlites and Msts on the same atv, same conditions to get these results? or you just peiceing together opinons from here?

""2. MSTs handles well at speed on hard surfaces ""
what about all the posts of death wobble at higher speeds that some get from these tires??

for the mud lite, you forgot to mention how well they climb due to there center lug bite which the mst lacks.
and what about the long tread life? i got about 3000+miles on mine, still have a long long while to go yet before they need to be replaced, and i mostly drive on rockey/dirt trails.  

Chris



SiPPMSH -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/22/2007 5:13:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 350hondaman

MR.BUSHHOG have you personaly tested the mudlites and Msts on the same atv, same conditions to get these results? or you just peiceing together opinons from here?

""2. MSTs handles well at speed on hard surfaces ""
what about all the posts of death wobble at higher speeds that some get from these tires??

for the mud lite, you forgot to mention how well they climb due to there center lug bite which the mst lacks.
and what about the long tread life? i got about 3000+miles on mine, still have a long long while to go yet before they need to be replaced, and i mostly drive on rockey/dirt trails.  

Chris


Dan's statement is entirely factual although he may not have listed absolutely every positive aspect of each tire I can assure you that he did not simply piece together information.



sawhead -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/23/2007 10:27:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 350hondaman

MR.BUSHHOG have you personaly tested the mudlites and Msts on the same atv, same conditions to get these results? or you just peiceing together opinons from here?

""2. MSTs handles well at speed on hard surfaces ""
what about all the posts of death wobble at higher speeds that some get from these tires??

for the mud lite, you forgot to mention how well they climb due to there center lug bite which the mst lacks.
and what about the long tread life? i got about 3000+miles on mine, still have a long long while to go yet before they need to be replaced, and i mostly drive on rockey/dirt trails.  

Chris

hondaman...i have run both on the same quad under the same riding conditions (have you???)...what is listed above is true...why are ya sounding defensive when this is a positive post about both tires???mudlites and mst climb about the same to be honest with ya,i have found that the mst digs a bit better than the mudlite though,so depending on the type of hill,the mst does outperform the mudlite in this category...yet the mudlites rock in the sand and are much better than mst there,that should be added to the above post by dan...as far as tire wobble goes,some do some don't regardless of make brand name...the pair of mudlites we have do have just a slight wobble,but so have almost every tire i have run at specefic speeds



Chevync20 -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/23/2007 10:42:59 AM)

I had my mst's up to 66 mph and no issues at all and that was substained speed for 3-5 miles asphault and no wobbling. I have run both and can honestly say mst's are a much better tire all around, the way I would have mudlites are if they came on my next bike like th new big bears have other than the 30" lite would be the only one I would consider due to GC



dcm450 -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/23/2007 10:55:52 AM)

i just dont see why someone complains about a light duty mud tire/ or trail tire wobbling at highway speeds, i can assure you neither one of those tires are designed to run down the highway.    so yeah they might wobble a little bit[8|]



Chevync20 -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/23/2007 10:58:49 AM)

Run mudlites down the road a couple miles and you can put your fingerprints in the rubber as it gets so hot and almost acts like it melts, just wear out way to quick. The set that come with my foreman when I bought it back in 03 wore out in about 400 miles. Mst's still looked pretty new with 500 miles on them you could probaly get 2000-3000 miles out of a set, but didnt get that many miles on them



grizzman465 -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/23/2007 2:27:21 PM)

how do the mudlites not get traction on hard slick surfaces? they have a whole open spot in the middle and the middle lug grabs into whatever your on. they dont wear fast i have almost 1,000 miles on my tires and they just started showing wear from excessive donuts/powerslides



sawhead -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/23/2007 3:51:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: grizzman465

how do the mudlites not get traction on hard slick surfaces? they have a whole open spot in the middle and the middle lug grabs into whatever your on. they dont wear fast i have almost 1,000 miles on my tires and they just started showing wear from excessive donuts/powerslides

run enough A/T tires and you'll know exactly what climbs well and what doesn't...no one said the mudlites don't climb well...in fact one of the only tires that really stands out from the pack at climbing is the vampires,the rest are really fairly close in most situations give or take a bit here and there!!!

the mst are without a doubt better on fast paced trails hands down...

i think this post has lost it's direction that dan was giving it also...



BUSHHOG -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/25/2007 7:35:02 AM)

MST Tire Reviews: sawhead, Mudcon, freetrapper, vt04grizz, Crkaminer, chevync20, GreatWhiteNorth and Ruttratt.

Search and read these very in-depth tire reviews by USERS of the MST and make up your own mind.

BTW 350 hondaman,  the hard "slick" surfaces I was referring to are wet slick smooth rocks and ice not a normal paved road. It takes a flat surface and sipes to truly perform on these tough situations. Also, I'm not much on opinions when I say something on this forum that the whole world can read. I try very hard to stick to facts so when I say something people can believe it. FYI, just so you understand, there is no wobble at any speed. These tires track smooth and true period. What you are "picking out" to say is the fact we have had about 10-12 tires out of several 1000 that were out of balance. That's not even a half of one per-cent. We replaced those at n/c. I think that would be considered a good track record.



freetrapper -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (6/25/2007 10:35:27 AM)

I have loved my M/S/T's and have posted my review on my web site for anyone to read at http://www.freetrapper.com/atv/quads/lee650/mstreview.htm



BUSHHOG -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/17/2007 9:59:12 AM)

Because this subject continues to be a hot topic, I thought I would bring it back for new people to read. The one thing I want people to know and understand, I am not knocking the Mudlites. As I have stated many times, they are a very good high quality all terrain tire, but the MST can do everything as well as the Lite and several other things better, making it a great all terrain tire. In an honest head to head comparision the MST wins, but again that does not mean the Mudlite is a bad tire. So it's that simple, pick the one you think is best for you. But don't just spend your hard earned money because a dealer happens to have Mudlites or MST's in stock for that matter. Tires are a long term investment and it's nice to take pride in your tires everytime you go riding no matter what the brand.



BrokenKitty -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/17/2007 10:43:20 AM)

I think this should be a sticky so no one posts up more bashing about mudlites ....Jmo



BrokenKitty -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/17/2007 6:41:52 PM)

Oh yea , From what i said this is now a sticky lol wares my 10 " lift now dan ??? [sm=flame.gif]



BrokenKitty -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/17/2007 6:44:07 PM)

Oh yea , From what i said this is now a sticky lol wares my 10 " lift now dan ??? [sm=flame.gif]



800 polaris -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/24/2007 12:09:26 AM)

do the mst's float like the other 29.5 outlaws. I have mud lite 28x10x12's all the way around and cannot float as well as guys with 29.5 outlaws. 



800 polaris -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/24/2007 12:16:46 AM)

I have mud lites 28x10x12's and wondering if the mts tires will float better are like the 29.5 outlaws, as for as mudd these tires are great for the most part.



SiPPMSH -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (7/24/2007 9:44:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 800 polaris

I have mud lites 28x10x12's and wondering if the mts tires will float better are like the 29.5 outlaws, as for as mudd these tires are great for the most part.


The High Lifter 29.5 Outlaws are better for floating purposes than the ITP Mud Lites, especially due to their side lugs which act like propellers in heavy water.



XtreamWolverine -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (8/8/2007 12:46:36 PM)

I've had my MST's for around 6 months, i don't think I'd Ever go back to another tire.  They do at so much that's what I love about them.  I've had tires on this and that,d ifferent quads.  I had bugs and while I think the bugs did better in the mud "easier" than the MST's.  The MST's hands down are better on the hard packed trails, they don't vibrate, this and that.  Again that's bugs vrs this.  Lites are a good tire and if that's what you can afford, or want a better than stock tire there great.  With so many things to chose from, pick the tire you like.  My next set will most likely be MST's I really like the way they perform on so many different things.  2nd set of tires, outlaws for sure [:D]



Davidcz75 -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (8/10/2007 7:55:15 AM)

I have had my MST's (28's) for a while now and have been really really impressed. I was in MN a few weeks ago and was off roading for about a week or so. I rode everything (Mud, rocks, trail, etc) with no problems and the tires performed great. I'd have no reservations about buying another set at at all. The other guy I was riding with was running Mudlites, 26's, and they did real good as well. I did notice in the deep stuff he didnt do as well or he wasnt able to follow me everywhere I went, but most places he was able to do so. Far as climbing ability there was really no difference at all. I guess its more of a case as to what the rider wants from his machine and what kind of riding he wants to do. Im also going to purchase some outlaws in the near future, for the deep deep stuff.



bethelmudder34 -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (8/26/2007 9:37:10 PM)

the mudlights will wear out quicker and won't do as good in the mud as the mst, the mst's also ride better and do good clinbing, rocks, trail, and other situation you can think of



RIDINDIRTY LA -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (9/8/2007 3:39:24 PM)

Well...I have read every entry on this thread.  It seems to me there is some controversy about what tire is better, the Mudlites or the Outlaw MST.  I have never ridden the MST, so I cannot accurately comment on their quality. Alhtough, I have ridden the ITP Mudlite.  It gives a ride that is unmatchable to any tire I have ever ridden. It also does extremely well in maneuverability when trail riding.  In the mud...not so well. In fact not very well at all.  So, if you are looking for a tire that is good for ALL  conditions I do not recommend the Mudlites. If you are looking for an excellent trail riding, to and from the deerstand, and around the house...there is no better tire than the ITP Mudlite.



05BlueGrizzly -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (9/8/2007 8:03:51 PM)

well i had 26" lites and loved everything about them. even any mud i could find they did great for me. only one virgin hole that was the thickest mud i've ever seen i had to use my winch and one other guys winch to get me unstuck.

that being said i sold my lites last eve and ordered me some 25" MST's based on all i've read on here. i'm just expecting a lot form these tires and really hope they are all the hype says they are. i will report either way on here once i get them.



burnt3d -> RE: Positve attributes of Mud Lites & MST's (9/15/2007 9:07:43 PM)

how do the mst's compare to the new ipt xtr's? Tim



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