What is harder to turn?

What is harder to turn?

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Most Popular Discussions] >> Tire Talk >> What is harder to turn? Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 3:25:10 PM   
Big House


Posts: 249
Joined: 6/17/2007
From: Willis, Tx
Status: offline
What would be harder to turn, a larger tire that weighs less or a smaller tire that weighs more. Just curious

_____________________________

2005 Suzuki KingQuad 700
26 inch Bighorns on ITP C4 wheels (for the trail)
28 inch Outlaws on MA Tork Black wheels (for the mud)
VDI!!! Snorkels Twinair air filter
3 inch xpatv lift: Yoshi Pipe

http://community.webshots.com/user/bighouse35
Post #: 1
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 3:27:35 PM   
James Chapman


Posts: 1317
Joined: 2/28/2008
From: Spring TX **USA**
Status: offline
The larger tire

Of course how agressive the tread is should also be taken into account

< Message edited by James Chapman -- 7/24/2008 3:30:01 PM >


_____________________________

Support our troops AND THEIR MISSION!!!
XTREME IS BACK!!!
Covering the full off-road
spectrum

XTREME 4X4 OFFROAD!!!

(in reply to Big House)
Post #: 2
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 3:32:42 PM   
BUSHHOG

 

Posts: 2342
Joined: 6/25/2003
From: SHREVEPORT,LA.
Status: offline
Beside weight, it also depends on the lug/thread design, how wide each tire measures, side wall strength, tire profile, radial or biased belted, speed and type of surface. More than likely I'm leaving something out.........lol.

< Message edited by BUSHHOG -- 7/24/2008 3:40:50 PM >


_____________________________

Dan Doughty

(in reply to Big House)
Post #: 3
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 3:38:18 PM   
Big House


Posts: 249
Joined: 6/17/2007
From: Willis, Tx
Status: offline
Yes I am asking about a hard pack surface tire. I am currently running 26 inch bighorns and they are a heavy tire. They are great and I love them. I also love ground clearance. I was just wondering if I would gain any more power going to a larger, lighter tire. Thanks for all the help and keep the opinions coming.

_____________________________

2005 Suzuki KingQuad 700
26 inch Bighorns on ITP C4 wheels (for the trail)
28 inch Outlaws on MA Tork Black wheels (for the mud)
VDI!!! Snorkels Twinair air filter
3 inch xpatv lift: Yoshi Pipe

http://community.webshots.com/user/bighouse35

(in reply to BUSHHOG)
Post #: 4
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 4:05:16 PM   
James Chapman


Posts: 1317
Joined: 2/28/2008
From: Spring TX **USA**
Status: offline
Well what are the 2 tires and sizes...That would help us out lol

_____________________________

Support our troops AND THEIR MISSION!!!
XTREME IS BACK!!!
Covering the full off-road
spectrum

XTREME 4X4 OFFROAD!!!

(in reply to Big House)
Post #: 5
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 7:45:11 PM   
Black Redneck


Posts: 256
Joined: 7/30/2007
From: MONROE, LA
Status: offline
it could be like comparing apples and oranges

_____________________________

2007 AC 700 EFI
Custom snorks
4 - 27x9x14 Swamp Lites on black SS 108's (trail tires)
4 - 27x9.5x12 Laws on LE wheels (mud tires)
HMF Utility
Optimizer
Outlaw clutch kit
LE Bumpers
Direct Wired Fan
Custom 2" lift (Extreme ATV)
Custom Tunes
Eqqis temp and volt gauges

TEAM YO MONEY
"FUN ON YO DIME"

"Keep talkin smack and I'll make ya famous"

(in reply to James Chapman)
Post #: 6
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 10:44:36 PM   
Big House


Posts: 249
Joined: 6/17/2007
From: Willis, Tx
Status: offline
I don't really know just wanted to know if someone knew. Like compare a 26 bighorn to the new 30 zilla (not mudzilla) or 28 or 30 mudlite. Something along those lines. Again I'm just curious and wondered if someone has done this comparison before.

_____________________________

2005 Suzuki KingQuad 700
26 inch Bighorns on ITP C4 wheels (for the trail)
28 inch Outlaws on MA Tork Black wheels (for the mud)
VDI!!! Snorkels Twinair air filter
3 inch xpatv lift: Yoshi Pipe

http://community.webshots.com/user/bighouse35

(in reply to Black Redneck)
Post #: 7
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/24/2008 10:51:06 PM   
James Chapman


Posts: 1317
Joined: 2/28/2008
From: Spring TX **USA**
Status: offline
Its really gonna come down to the tires compared...There is no general rule i can say

a 28x12-12 law up front is gonna be worse in the steering department then a 29.5x10-12 law up front

Tired width and the agressiveness of the tread pattern affect steering..

Although...You could say a 26 thats  agressive compared to a less agressive 30 in tall tire...the 30 is going to most likely be the harder tire to steer and more stressful on the axles/tierods

_____________________________

Support our troops AND THEIR MISSION!!!
XTREME IS BACK!!!
Covering the full off-road
spectrum

XTREME 4X4 OFFROAD!!!

(in reply to Big House)
Post #: 8
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/25/2008 9:45:01 AM   
LiveForMud

 

Posts: 603
Joined: 1/7/2007
Status: offline
on the trails there isn't much difference, taller tires just lower your acceleration but increase your top speed due to the taller overall gearing. if you're not stuck on using a  (heavy) radial tire, a 28" mudlite should do you good since they're light and have a rounded profile that doesn't put a whole lot of tread on the ground at once. radials have a more flat profile which increases traction on hard/flat surfaces, but makes steering harder and radials are just heavier than bias ply tires. i don't know tire weights right off hand, but i'm sure you can find a light tire that'll meet your height and traction requirements. rule of thumb in drag racing is, as far as acceleration is concerned, every 1 lb of rotating mass is the same as 4 lb of static mass... so installing tires that are the same height as stockers, but 3 lb lighter for each (or 12lb of rotating mass removed), will be the same as taking off 48 lb of weight off the bike and will make you faster through a run (if traction is the same, of course). but 48lb versus the ~800 lb quad loaded (with you on it) is only 6% of the whole picture... while going from 25" tires to 28" tires (both the same weight) is a 12% change in leverage your engine has on the ground to move you and the quad. gotta look at the whole picture.

in thick mud, a set of 27" laws (10s & 12s) would be about the same difficulty, if not harder, to turn than 30" mudlites due to just the shear amount of muck those huge lugs on the laws grab with every turn. while the 30" mudlites are 11% taller, which increases your gearing 11%, the lug face area on the 27" laws dwarfs that of the 'lites. in the mud, you're turning much more than just the tire... you gotta also turn all the mud the lugs grab also which is much harder to turn than the tire itself. it's like picking up a shovel and slinging it around with ease, then trying to do the same with a scoop of mud added on. it'll wear you out pretty fast. the engine has to fight the same forces.

_____________________________

2005 RED AC 500M (on vacation for now)
Remote mounted g.o.r.i.l.l.a. 3k lb winch
PC680 battery
iEquus 8068 3 3/8" tach
Reloc'd radiator
26-in XTRs
some other stuff
!seals, !brakes, !traction, !money, !sanity...


Dad's NEW ride- 06 Foreman S 4WD

(in reply to James Chapman)
Post #: 9
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/25/2008 9:55:39 AM   
sTa


Posts: 214
Joined: 4/23/2008
From: Lumberton, TX
Status: offline
Good explaination i will say

(in reply to LiveForMud)
Post #: 10
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/25/2008 10:10:01 AM   
blake777


Posts: 641
Joined: 6/27/2007
From: Ponchatoula, Louisiana
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: sTa

Good explaination i will say




_____________________________

TEAM SOUTHERN SWAMP BOYZ

<TOULA MUD BOYZ>

(FOR SALE)
2006 honda rancher 350 (red)
ss108 rims
26inch mud lites
warn 424
bayou snorkle kit
2inch lift
dyno-jet kit

07 yamaha big bear 400 camo
28x10.5x12 outlaws
itp c series 7 black wheels
custom 2in lift made by(gumbo03)
epi kluch kit
full skid plates
snorkeled
jet kit
fmf powerline exhust
and a 2,500 warn winch

*SPOT RESERVED FOR BRUTE FORCE*

www.southernswampboyz.com

(in reply to sTa)
Post #: 11
RE: What is harder to turn? - 7/25/2008 11:06:19 AM   
BRmudder


Posts: 2998
Joined: 3/28/2005
From: Walker, LA
Status: offline
I'd say a larger lighter tire is harder than a smaller heavier, but not like a 26 & 27...then the 27 would be easier.  If the diff is like a 27 & a 30, then the 27 would be easier.

Just my thought...

_____________________________

Steven

His: '07 Outty 800
Gander Mountain - Greenhead (Eric)
Tuned by MAD Motorsports (THE John Cannon)
CATVOS LIFT - ODB (Scott)

Hers: '08 700H1
Philip's Arctic Cat - New Roads

SOUTHERN SWAMP BOYZ

MySpace

MyPics

(in reply to blake777)
Post #: 12
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Most Popular Discussions] >> Tire Talk >> What is harder to turn? Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


© 1996-2008 High Lifter Products, Inc. - ATV After-Market Parts and Accessories
All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Forum Acceptable Use Policy - FAQ
Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode

0.469