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Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 10:55:29 AM

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So I am looking at tires and i'm at Bighorns or Swamplites. Both will be 26's skinny F, wide R and these are the only tires i'm interested (please don't say MST's as they are too expensive with shipping and I have been reading about the beads comming off at low PSI

) as they are trail tires first and mud second (not hard core mudder, just trail side to the floor boards).

I really like averything I hear about the Bighorns but the price is steep (get what you pay for though) and the Swamplites are cheaper and close to the Bighorns for smoothness on the trail from what I have been reading. I don't rock crawl but I do like technical riding so the bighorns would be the tougher tire for that but the $$ comes back into play.

I don't ride all the time just on the weekends and don't plan on putting alot of miles on the machine a year (but you never know), when I do ride though the stock tire leave allot to be desired as they are ok, but with the bigbore tractions is sometimes lacking

.

Really looking for a more agressive trail/woods tire in a bigger size for ground clearance.

I read that the Swamplites tend to dig in the soft stuff so how bad are they in the snow? I know the Bighorns are one of the best for snow, but $$$

Thanks

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 12:24:56 PM

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MY07BRUTE, just so you know, there are 1000 and 1000's of MST's running in many types on conditions with low psi. I only know of 1 set that did what you say. However, we have a bunch of sales people here and maybe they did not tell me. But that is not a regular problem with the MST. I can't tell you about the swamplite as I have never seen them perform in snow. I can give you an opinion, but I try not to do so. BTW, down in LA. we are not 100% snow is white, it is a rumor we keep hearing.........lol. Now to pricing. We may have a sale price going on, you never know. Why don't you call me at (800) 699-0947, ext.2010. I might put a smile on yor face. The correct tire on your ATV for your application is the single most important purchase you can make. Make it wisely.

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 3:25:17 PM

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quote:

MY07BRUTE, just so you know, there are 1000 and 1000's of MST's running in many types on conditions with low psi. I only know of 1 set that did what you say. However, we have a bunch of sales people here and maybe they did not tell me. But that is not a regular problem with the MST. I can't tell you about the swamplite as I have never seen them perform in snow. I can give you an opinion, but I try not to do so. BTW, down in LA. we are not 100% snow is white, it is a rumor we keep hearing.........lol. Now to pricing. We may have a sale price going on, you never know. Why don't you call me at (800) 699-0947, ext.2010. I might put a smile on yor face. The correct tire on your ATV for your application is the single most important purchase you can make. Make it wisely.

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MY07BRUTE, just so you know, there are 1000 and 1000's of MST's running in many types on conditions with low psi. I only know of 1 set that did what you say. However, we have a bunch of sales people here and maybe they did not tell me. But that is not a regular problem with the MST. I can't tell you about the swamplite as I have never seen them perform in snow. I can give you an opinion, but I try not to do so. BTW, down in LA. we are not 100% snow is white, it is a rumor we keep hearing.........lol. Now to pricing. We may have a sale price going on, you never know. Why don't you call me at (800) 699-0947, ext.2010. I might put a smile on yor face. The correct tire on your ATV for your application is the single most important purchase you can make. Make it wisely.

I appreciate you reply as I have the other times you have in the past in threads and with the PM's. I am afraid I am no longer interested in hte MST's as I feel they are not the tire for me. I have read a few threads as of late with people claiming that they keep lossing the bead out on the trail with the MST and that is something I don't want to find out about first hand in freezing cold weather a ways from home. There was also a thread about a person getting the MST's and being embaresed about having them on his outy and not being ably to go places he used to. I know this is a Highlifter site and the MST is your product but for the price and the posts I have been reading I'm not looking to pay that price to find out if its true (I am sure 100's have had no issues but I don't like to gamble with my $$ and time).

On the other hand I have never herd anything bad about the Bighorn (other than some pushing in the corners at high speed?) and the Swamplites seem to be a good tire for the money but has its flaws (which I can deal with as its only wear and lack of cleaning in nasty mud).

Thanks

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 3:47:13 PM

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I may be one person who you read about MST's and bead problems. I can tell you that the little issue I have had has only happened on my wife's rims and they have never come off the rim. Only gotten stuff stuck inbetween the rim and tire.
Mine on my stock rims have never caused a problem and I run them as low as 2 psi. With my wife's, they are fine as long as I keep the fronts at or above 4.5 psi. Rears have never caused a problem

sorry, just an fyi
I would be shocked if MST's cost anywhere near Bighorns for you
Swamplites will be cheaper, but I can't see them being good in the snow, as they dig too much-will know in about a month as my neighbor just put SW's on his Brute

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 4:01:33 PM

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I would be shocked if MST's cost anywhere near Bighorns for you

$499 MST's to my door
$480 Bighorn to my door-ebay

I would think the MST's Dig in the snow as well with out wheel spin control based on thier design.

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 4:56:56 PM

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I have had the great fortune of both observing SL's in deep snow and driving with them in deep snow myself. They are an excellent deep snow tire. A touch worse than a mud bug but still very capable. Like all good snow tires the low air pressure in them is a big deal. The ones I have riden on were 26's on a AC. Throttle control is still a big deal (of course in really dep snow all tires need just the right amount of throttle) with SL's, but you do not find yourself "working" as hard in deep snow as you do with many ATV tires. I've never been on a bike with Bighorns so I can't compare and contrast the two, maybe someone else here can though.

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 5:11:18 PM

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If you are into reading posts, please read what these people wrote. Some are super detailed and talk in depth about snow performance. Most particular read what sawhead reported. Also just so you know, I always say the facts based on my 11+ years of experience and running the sales dept. here at High Lifter. I am not much of an opinon spouting person. Also I tell the truth even if it cost us a sale. Being on our web-site has nothing to do with what I say up here on an open forum.

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Last, I still have not heard from you personally. Unless you live in Alaska, no way will 26 MST's cost as much as you say. If you don't want MST's, thats OK. But I can tell you, you don't have correct info on their performance and price. Why do you think a Northern ATV company like Arctic Cat choose the MST over all other all terrain tires they tested. Because they do just fine in snow and don't come off the bead, plus last a long time and ride smooth while killing tires like a Big Horn in mud. The MST is a perfect northen tire based on it's design. BTW, even if I personally don't know how a Swamplite does in snow, I have been told a lot of times. You hit the nail on the head when you talked about the lites digging in mud, so what should that tell you about snow ? Please understand I truly am not trying to bust your chops, but it appears to me you have a closed mind to a truly amazing tire. Just take the time to read sawhead and some of the others, then you might change your mind. I will show you I can help you on pricing, but you need to call me. This tire has more features that turn into more benefits that you can find in any other tire. It's about proper design, not the lack of it. I would really appreciate the opportunity to explain the tire to you for exactly what you do. Thanks !!!!

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 5:31:14 PM

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quote:

Unless you live in Alaska, no way will 26 MST's cost as much as you say

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But I can tell you, you don't have correct info on their performance and price.

(2x) 26 x 9.5 = 90.95 EA. $181.90 TOTAL
(2x) 26 x 12 = 105.95 EA. $211.90 TOTAL

Total = $393.80 W/O shipping
Shipping to 12528 (NY) = $102.70 (ground)

Total to my door = $496.50 (was off by $2.50 in my above post, that was from a few weeks agao when i checked)

So unless I missed somethings or you site is off (i just checked the $$) they are $500 to my door.

As far as calling, Work is insane right now and I am working 10+ hour days so I will try to call you tommorow (or you can PM/E-mail me)

The above is not a dig to you just the facts like you posted.

P.S. I have read Sawheads review comparing them to the mudbugs and such, great info. I am not closed minded but the posts I have read recently along with the $ have swayed elsewhere. NOW if the MST's were a good bit cheeper than the Bighorns and garenteed not to come off the rim at low psi I would concider them again.

Thanks

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/17/2008 10:03:07 PM

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artic cat is now using maxxis zillas i seen several new mud pros with all zillas at the dealer

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/18/2008 9:58:33 AM

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I can beat that price easy. As I suggested, we have a little price break program available at this time. Call me at your convienence. I will be less money than the Horns and I am not in the least worried about them coming off the bead. Hey, if that happens, we will make it right. That's how we do business. Plus, I am saying this on the forum for everyone to see. That should tell you the bead thing is not a big deal.

superz, you are correct. We did not know that. However, it was more than likely about delivery rather than performance. We did sell them a ton of tires and they loved them. Also maybe Maxxis decided to out price us as they are factory direct, where we sold our tires, not the factory who makes them.

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/18/2008 11:59:39 AM

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I just gave Dan a call and he was able to give me a great deal on the MST's so it looks like I'm between the Bighorns and MST's and not going to persue the Swamplites.

I'm now leaning to the MST's because I do find mud when I ride in the middle of the woods making my own trail and that is my biggest concern with the Bighorns, but on the flip the Bighorns appear to be a lil better in the snow (based on some one who has 26" horns and 27" MST's I talked to)

So I may be rocking some MST's in a few weeks....I'm working all this OT so I might as well spend it LOL.

Thanks again Dan

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/18/2008 12:19:35 PM

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10-4. You are welcome. Both the Horns and MST's are great tires for your applications. I think you have it figured out in the differences between these tires.

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/18/2008 12:43:22 PM

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How many (other) places do you know that give great prices and offer to talk to you about a particular item that they sale. Big Props to Dan @ HL. Thanks for the info on the Clutch kit btw.

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/18/2008 3:35:42 PM

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I got the Bighorns recently and LOVE the smooth ride, they hook up very well in everything up to moderate thick mud (peanut butter type), but i'm not a mudder anyway. The light to moderate slimmy mud i've come across so far...the horns had no problem with it. They are also very durable too. On two separate ride, I hit my front right tire HARD! on some logs sticking out on the trail....the kinda hit the would have shreaded my orginal stock tires. Let me tell ya this, the horns don't even have a mark on them. Impressed the Sh** outta me. I have not used them in any snow yet but I've heard they do well. I have kinda limited tire experience so far, only the stock 26" Carlisle ACT's and the 27" SuperGrip Super Lights (Look like ITP ML's), but these are BY FAR my favorites so far. I'm sending you a PM with info on where I got them....CHEAP!

Here are 2 pics for ya to see just how tall and wide the 26" horns are.

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ORIGINAL: MY07BRUTE

So I am looking at tires and i'm at Bighorns or Swamplites. Both will be 26's skinny F, wide R and these are the only tires i'm interested (please don't say MST's as they are too expensive with shipping and I have been reading about the beads comming off at low PSI) as they are trail tires first and mud second (not hard core mudder, just trail side to the floor boards).

I really like averything I hear about the Bighorns but the price is steep (get what you pay for though) and the Swamplites are cheaper and close to the Bighorns for smoothness on the trail from what I have been reading. I don't rock crawl but I do like technical riding so the bighorns would be the tougher tire for that but the $$ comes back into play.

I don't ride all the time just on the weekends and don't plan on putting alot of miles on the machine a year (but you never know), when I do ride though the stock tire leave allot to be desired as they are ok, but with the bigbore tractions is sometimes lacking.

Really looking for a more agressive trail/woods tire in a bigger size for ground clearance.

I read that the Swamplites tend to dig in the soft stuff so how bad are they in the snow? I know the Bighorns are one of the best for snow, but $$$

Thanks

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RE: Swamplites in the snow, anygood? - 11/18/2008 3:36:51 PM

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26" Bighorns on a 07 Can-AM Outty Max XT

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