lips450
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ORIGINAL: jd2210 Well I guess I'll address these one by one. 1)I'm not saying I recommend SW's for experienced riders, I'm saying I recommend the bugs for inexperienced riders. I thought that was clear. 2)The bugs were faster to dig down in muskeg. I have yet to see skinny's of any kind do well in muskeg and there are some days I'm in muskeg 8 hours at a time. Keep in mind that I would still rate the bugs at the top 3 or 4 tires for muskeg but there is no doubt that these are better. Really what I should be saying is that 28x12x12 Swampwitches are better than undersized 27x10's and 12'sx12 Mudbugs. It is also worth pointing out that you guys in BC have a much more Peat based sort of minerally and even sandy type of muskeg in some northern areas (my nerd of a roommate in collage was some sort of wierdo into soil sampling and so on for various agencies). Our muskeg here has a large component of floating bog, beaver runs, swamp willows and has a tremendous amount of changes in depth and thickness. Where I am, the narrowness of the bugs lug makes it sink into the soil easier and tear away the ever so little amount of solid ground that there is. There are times where if the machine spins once, you are dumping water out of your boots once you get to solid ground. 3)I basically agree with what you say. They are awfully close though. 4)We agree 5) I should have clarified. I was talking strickly muskeg and floating bog which I realize now that I didn't clarify. I hate Mudlites for almost anything, but they can REALLY back out of muskeg. The bugs were fine, but no Mudlite. 6)I won't agrue with you since it is a FACT, but here is how I determined it. In my north gravel pit which has a westerly sand wall, when I am relocating the welding rig, I used to have to go around the pit wall with the bugs because when I tried to climb the wall they went maybe 5 feet up and then completely dug me down to where I was stopped. I now can shoot right up the wall. I still need 4wd but I make it without any problems. I'm even going over the old ruts that it left from the bugs. It is from maybe 25 or so trips up the wall so I'm sure you have more experience with it than I do. 7) It's definately not the ground clearance issue for many reasons, but I do admit the 12's could for sure be the reason. As for the fallen logs I think the bugs inability to climb them was my biggest beef with them. If the tree was at any kind of an angle from the narrow trail the tires would just ride along the side of the tree instead of going over it. My theory is that if I had the 12's on the front that the bugs excellent side lug would have grabbed the bark and pulled me over, but the 10's were absolutely brutal. When we go from one of our blocks to another we have a rock that we need to climb over. I'm going to say it's approximately 1/4 mile long and 200 ish feet high. There are 2 places where it is difficult to get enought traction and still not have the machiine tip over. With the bugs they would sometime slide down the one section and I would have regroup and go at it again. On occasion it would need two maybe 3 tries. Now I can just worry about my leaning and the tires grab without slipping off the ridge. 8)I ran my bugs with 0 pounds of air and I couldn't climb over 10" poplars that were on any kind of angle (with my fronts). 9)I can hardly wait to see what these babies can do in the snow. You are correct that the bugs are a VERY good tire for snow, but I don't know how you can say in one sentence that you have no comment on the MST or Swampwitch and then in the next say that the bugs are best snow tire that anyone can buy. Isn't that like saying that you have never tried chocolate ice cream but you know for absolute fact that it can't possibly be better than vanilla? well in response to the snow comment, like i said ive never tried it in snow but do to the fact that i know the mst's are 11" wide and the bugs are 12" the bugs have more of a contact patch in the snow and at low preasure i could run the bugs lower causing them to flare out more than the other two tires do. Low preasure is the best thing you could do to ride in snow conditions, sure you lose g/c but in this stuff traction comes first, then g/c would be nice. im no tech guy but i really cant see a hard compound tire with no ability to flex outpeform a softer tire in snow, but thats just me as far as the rest of your comments im not going to respond do to the fact that it probably true for you. its just down here the bugs work better for me then swamp switch.
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