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School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/19/2008 11:28:42 AM

MUD CON

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Finally bent the tierods/ends on the Rincon. Not regular wheeling; I rolled it at high speed

. Anyway, I have been wondering if I should buy the OEM tierods from Honda or get aftermarket? Are the aftermarket ones any better? Stronger? Which do you recommend?

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/19/2008 8:20:06 PM

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You can get stronger/better aftermarket ones but I prefer to leave them OEM, they are a weak link, you will just break something more expensive next time.

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/19/2008 11:13:17 PM

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I agree with Mac just get oem rods.

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 12:06:18 AM

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yea oem honda are pretty strong go with them,

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 7:55:05 AM

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You can get stronger/better aftermarket ones but I prefer to leave them OEM, they are a weak link, you will just break something more expensive next time.

Unsubstantiated statement; there is no way of knowing that something more expensive will break next time.

I disagree, why not upgrade to something that is stronger. Is there any proof that Honda built thier tie-rods to be "the weak link"?

Hey Mac do you run ape arms, bigger tires, etc., etc.? According to your reasoning...............well you get the picture.

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 12:05:17 PM

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Well, I agree with both of you. I know they need to be stronger e.khanson, but I agree with mac102004 that they are meant to be a weak link in the steering. If the tie rod doesn't bend, it will bend my steering stem or worse the steering knuckle. I was thinking of making some with heim joints(rod ends) and some dom tubing like I run on my monster truck, but I don't want to "overbeef" the tierods for the aformentioned reasons. In my case, I rolled it, so that bent them. Don't want to be strong enough to stop that from happening b/c something else will give. I did have one tierod end wearing out on one side and that is the main reason for my question, I was soon going to replace them anyways. So the vote is OEM? Anybody run quadboss or epi stuff? Probably junk from what I hear of other products they make, right?

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 2:40:06 PM

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I HAVE OFTEN TOUGHT ABOUT MAKING SOME OUT OF ROD ENDS AND TUBING WHAT SIZE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD USE

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 4:33:49 PM

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To start I would use 3/4" x .120 (1/8th) wall dom with 1/2 x 1/2 rod ends and grade 8 bolts of course. Probably way too beefy. You would have to drill the knuckles out to remove the taper from the oem tie rod ends to run the straight (taperless) through design of the heim. Easy to do, but will probably cost more than oem in the end, stronger yes, but more $ because I would run quality stuff. I do like fabbing though

If I make them, do y'all want a set?

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-2500LB SUPERWINCH CUSTOM MOUNT
-CUSTOM .250" STEEL HITCH
-CUSTOM FRONT TOW HOOK
-2.25" CUSTOM SNORKEL
-DOEBECK/HMF GEN III OPTIMIZER
-HMF SWAMP SERIES EXHAUST WITH SNORKEL
-2" HL LIFT KIT
-HL LIFT SPRINGS (THE GOOD ONES)
-HL 1.5" SPACERS FRONT AND REAR
-29.5" HL "SUPER" OUTLAWS
-MOOSE CAMO BAG
-MOOSE/RAM AUTO-LEVELING BEER HOLDER
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-AUDIOPIPE
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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 4:58:33 PM

mac102004

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quote:

ORIGINAL: e.khanson

quote:

ORIGINAL: mac102004

You can get stronger/better aftermarket ones but I prefer to leave them OEM, they are a weak link, you will just break something more expensive next time.

Unsubstantiated statement; there is no way of knowing that something more expensive will break next time.

I disagree, why not upgrade to something that is stronger. Is there any proof that Honda built thier tie-rods to be "the weak link"?

Hey Mac do you run ape arms, bigger tires, etc., etc.? According to your reasoning...............well you get the picture.

No, just because I think that its a good idea to leave the stock tie rods on doesn't mean I think you should leave every other weak link on too. I'm just saying I would rather a bent tie rod than a bent steering stem, broken knuckle, or even a broken wrist, arm, hand etc.

"I disagree, why not upgrade to something that is stronger. Is there any proof that Honda built thier tie-rods to be "the weak link"?"

Only proof I can think of is common sence. In the steering you have the knuckle, tie rod and ends, stem, handle bar clamps and the hanle bars themselves, what would you consider the weak link to be?

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 5:22:23 PM

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I totally agree mac. Not only common sense, but common practice too(car manufacturers design it this way); basically, it is designed to be the weak link in the steering. And I know what the next weak link is by looking underneath my rincon; the stem. The knuckles look stronger to me and I have seen the stems get tweaked in accidents/rolls, but never a knuckle. So you're still voting OEM mac? Does that "big black monkey" company make any?

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-2500LB SUPERWINCH CUSTOM MOUNT
-CUSTOM .250" STEEL HITCH
-CUSTOM FRONT TOW HOOK
-2.25" CUSTOM SNORKEL
-DOEBECK/HMF GEN III OPTIMIZER
-HMF SWAMP SERIES EXHAUST WITH SNORKEL
-2" HL LIFT KIT
-HL LIFT SPRINGS (THE GOOD ONES)
-HL 1.5" SPACERS FRONT AND REAR
-29.5" HL "SUPER" OUTLAWS
-MOOSE CAMO BAG
-MOOSE/RAM AUTO-LEVELING BEER HOLDER
-GPS/PHONE MOUNT
-AUDIOPIPE
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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/20/2008 8:39:37 PM

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Yes, I vote OEM, thats my final answer. No, "that" company doesn't make any.

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/21/2008 1:47:01 AM

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A buddy of mine is working on making some right now

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/21/2008 7:55:16 AM

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quote:

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Is there any proof that Honda built thier tie-rods to be "the weak link"?

No, I don't think you'll EVER see something like that published. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I would beg you to consider this- How hard of a hit does it take to bend a tie rod? How hard to you want that hit to be? Forget the machine's well being for the moment, the remainder of the components between the wheels and you are easily strong enough to break your arm or wrist if something doesn't give.
They aren't as strong as they could be, but they do take signifigant abuse to bend them, and they are dirt cheap. Thus my reasoning for feeling that stock tie rods should be left as is, regardless of what Honda thought...

.02 only, and ONLY the tie rods. If you can find a suitable stronger, or more appropriately, a more durable tie rod end, then I'm all for that, as the OEM ones are plenty strong, but they do wear more quickly than they need to IMO.

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/21/2008 9:13:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: MUD CON

To start I would use 3/4" x .120 (1/8th) wall dom with 1/2 x 1/2 rod ends and grade 8 bolts of course. Probably way too beefy. You would have to drill the knuckles out to remove the taper from the oem tie rod ends to run the straight (taperless) through design of the heim. Easy to do, but will probably cost more than oem in the end, stronger yes, but more $ because I would run quality stuff. I do like fabbing though If I make them, do y'all want a set?

I HAD SOME ON MY 98 GMC Z-71 WITH 6 INCHES AND 36 INCH TSL'S http://bulletproofsteering.com/gmifstierod.html

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hmf pipe & uni filter
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hl spool locker
hl un locker
3000 lb warn
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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/26/2008 3:12:21 PM

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Thanks to all that replied. Went oem in the end. Hey foreman2000 here is what I made for my monster. 3/8" thick dom 2.25" OD with 1.25" heim joints(250,000# static rating

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DOM this stuff was $1.92/per inch

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-2500LB SUPERWINCH CUSTOM MOUNT
-CUSTOM .250" STEEL HITCH
-CUSTOM FRONT TOW HOOK
-2.25" CUSTOM SNORKEL
-DOEBECK/HMF GEN III OPTIMIZER
-HMF SWAMP SERIES EXHAUST WITH SNORKEL
-2" HL LIFT KIT
-HL LIFT SPRINGS (THE GOOD ONES)
-HL 1.5" SPACERS FRONT AND REAR
-29.5" HL "SUPER" OUTLAWS
-MOOSE CAMO BAG
-MOOSE/RAM AUTO-LEVELING BEER HOLDER
-GPS/PHONE MOUNT
-AUDIOPIPE
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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/26/2008 3:13:54 PM

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Here are the rod ends. Beer for "actual hugeness" reference

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/26/2008 3:33:01 PM

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S-0-B THAT IS LARGE WHAT DOSE THE TRUCK LOOK LIKE

LET ME GUESS...
85 CHEVY
572 CI BIG BLOCK
871 BLOWER
NP200 T CASE
4L8O TRANS
54 BOGGER OR TRACTOR TIRES
2 1/2 TON ROCKWELLS
6:38 GEARS
OVERSON HUBS AND LOCKERS
HYDRO STEERING
4 LINK SETUP W/PANARD BARS
KING COILOVERS

< Message edited by foreman2000 -- 8/26/2008 3:39:20 PM >

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custom snorkle
hl lift kit & springs
27 X 10 & 27 X 12 s-backs
hl clutch kit
ebc primary clutches
hmf pipe & uni filter
dynojet 126 and needle
hl spool locker
hl un locker
3000 lb warn
reverse button mod
AND ONE EVIL MONKEY!

*new* 2006 yamaha rhino
upgraded to lcd display
yamaha roof and windsheild
alum stick stops and skids
brp cdi 28 X 10 laws ful

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RE: School me on Rincon Tierods: OEM or Aftermarket? - 8/26/2008 4:08:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: foreman2000

S-0-B THAT IS LARGE WHAT DOSE THE TRUCK LOOK LIKE

LET ME GUESS...
85 CHEVY..............................was 92 s10
572 CI BIG BLOCK..............rear engine 400sbc
871 BLOWER..................nat aspiration
NP200 T CASE.................yup and 1.5 ton chevy
4L8O TRANS..................TH400
54 BOGGER OR TRACTOR TIRES..........48x31x20, but I wish I had either of the other two
2 1/2 TON ROCKWELLS.................yup
6:38 GEARS..........................6.72 actually
OVERSON HUBS AND LOCKERS..........yup got the locker
HYDRO STEERING..........................of course
4 LINK SETUP W/PANARD BARS..............4 link triangulated
KING COILOVERS................................I wish

Man foreman2000 you're pretty good. At least you know big trucks. Here's a pic. Click the link in my sig for more info.

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