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Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 12:37:05 AM   
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Just wanted to get some opinions from you guys, do you think I should wait for the mudpro or get a outlander 650 and add the extras? What is the difference in quality of Can Am vs Arctic Cat? I am new to atvs so I apologize for my ignorance.
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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 12:43:46 AM   
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It is a tough choice when people try to speak there own opinion.  The way I look at it who is winning the most bogs?  I would have to say Can-am.  Whose market has grown 10x it seems like in the past year? Can-am

Why not just go with the 800, and don't worry about it?

If not I would still have to choose the Can-am.  I mean, name another brand of atv that you had a seat that you could sleep on!

Both great bikes don't get me wrong. 

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 12:50:51 AM   
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Yeah I would love the 800 if I could afford it, but it is a little out of my reach right now. I was wanting to stay around 10k with mods (mud tires, wheels, lift kit, and snorkel)

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 1:30:51 AM   
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well if you are wantin to race go with the can-am. but if u are wantin to dog your friends out on the trail hole for hole get the AC mud pro. just my 2cents

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:13:06 AM   
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well if you are wantin to race go with the can-am. but if u are wantin to dog your friends out on the trail hole for hole get the AC mud pro. just my 2cents


Really?  Thats funny, cause I was just browsing the AC forums.....and saw several threads about 700efi sick, bevel gear broke again, rear end broke, belt getting water in, etc.!

I get so sick of these AC guys saying AC is the way to get through mud!  Can-am dominated Mud nationals......the proof is in the pudding!  Now the T-cat is bad too, but most of the guys talking smack are running these single cylinder quads with half the power of the 800 can-am!

People, lets all be realistic about the whole thing......and put our pride aside!  I have a rhino with an 800 in it, and I KNOW I cant go through anything!

As I said in the other thread like this.....let him make up his own mind. 

N2deep......do you have others decide which veihcles you buy? Which girls you date?  Come on man....make up your own mind! sheesh!

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:24:14 AM   
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I have a rhino with an 800 in it, and I KNOW I cant go through anything!


lol


I will agree on part of that. Go ride a 650 can am. And then go ride a 700H1 and just figure on it having a lot more low end torque, and that sweet metallic green. You really need to test ride before you make the decision though.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:26:41 AM   
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an 800 cc engine does not mean you will make it through the mud hole....

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:32:21 AM   
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think the dude just wants feedback from people , to make a informed decision, i'll tell you anything about the can am you want to know, but never owned a newer cat, had a 2001 500, for about a month, long story.  so getting info on the cats, is best talking to other riders who've owned them for awhile.  i've ridden one, a 2006 650 h1, thing was stiff ride, smooth power, liked the arctic green color. that's all i know. my 2-cents   can-am but seal it up good, waterpump weephole, cvt cover, cvt-o-rings. and vent everything.  machines are great in the mud and the trails if set up properly,

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:33:36 AM   
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Really?  Thats funny, cause I was just browsing the AC forums.....and saw several threads about 700efi sick, bevel gear broke again, rear end broke, belt getting water in, etc.!


Just on the first page. Every brand has problems man. I'm not bashing can-am by any means. I like them, If I wasn't on a cat it would be a can-am for sure. Just stating that with every brand there are problems. None of them are really designed to withstand what we put them thru.  


http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/Weep_Hole_Leaking_again/m_2862817/tm.htm
http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/Speedo_problems/m_2863328/tm.htm
http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/outlander_help/m_2865147/tm.htm
http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/Tranny_on_800/m_2858170/tm.htm

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:54:21 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Really?  Thats funny, cause I was just browsing the AC forums.....and saw several threads about 700efi sick, bevel gear broke again, rear end broke, belt getting water in, etc.!


Just on the first page. Every brand has problems man. I'm not bashing can-am by any means. I like them, If I wasn't on a cat it would be a can-am for sure. Just stating that with every brand there are problems. None of them are really designed to withstand what we put them thru.  


http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/Weep_Hole_Leaking_again/m_2862817/tm.htm
http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/Speedo_problems/m_2863328/tm.htm
http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/outlander_help/m_2865147/tm.htm
http://highlifter.reachlocal.net/forum/Tranny_on_800/m_2858170/tm.htm


I completely agree.....ALL brands have issues.  if you browse any forums, there are all kinds of people asking for help with problems....its going to happen!

It just gets old seeing the "what should I buy" threads....because lets face it, the AC guys arent going to say "GO BUY A CAN AM!", and vice-versa!  I mean seriously, what do you expect when you ask a question like that to a hundred guys that ride AC...can-am....yamaha....etc.???

If I am looking into something, I drive all thats availabe in my budget and decide from there......I dont ask buddies their biased opinion!

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 7:55:02 AM   
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if u want to get a good priced can am go here
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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 8:09:56 AM   
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You can get a 800 outlander for $8,399, wow.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 8:22:48 AM   
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Another thing to add: you will hear people say they had certain problems with their bike. All brands have issues, but when it comes to mudriding you have to set the bike up for it. In the military we call it preventative maintenance. I'm almost Shure that all brands, if you read that lil book ....BEFORE YOU RIDE.... That comes with the quad the manufacturer doesn't recommend going in deeper water than a foot at the most. So just set your bike up PROPERLY for what you want it to do, change the oil, and clean it after you ride it. I always saturate everything under the fenders with WD-40 after I wash mine. Good luck man, and ride a few bikes in your price range and see what you like.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 9:23:05 AM   
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regardless of your location and dealer, the 700H1 Mud Pro will always have a warranty, even with snorkels, tires, 4.0 gears, clutch work etc. I primarily mud/trail ride (muddy trails) and don't race. I think the Outtys have a smoother ride, but I like the ground clearance on the cat. IMO, they tend to hold up to long term beating a little better but that opinion would have a better backing if I knew of more people who trail rode their can ams like I ride my cat. Both would be awesome bikes and have lots of add ons ready to bolt on.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 10:31:22 AM   
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regardless of your location and dealer, the 700H1 Mud Pro will always have a warranty, even with snorkels, tires, 4.0 gears, clutch work etc. I primarily mud/trail ride (muddy trails) and don't race. I think the Outtys have a smoother ride, but I like the ground clearance on the cat. IMO, they tend to hold up to long term beating a little better but that opinion would have a better backing if I knew of more people who trail rode their can ams like I ride my cat. Both would be awesome bikes and have lots of add ons ready to bolt on.


So the Mud Pro has a lifetime warranty?

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 10:33:52 AM   
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What he meant was the add ons will not void your warranty like they do on other bikes.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 10:57:57 AM   
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N2deep......do you have others decide which veihcles you buy? Which girls you date?  Come on man....make up your own mind! sheesh!



Just looking for some input from both Can Am and Arctic Cat owners,  which is why I posted in both forums. As I said earlier I'm new to the game, so I dont know much about which brands are better or common problems with specific brands.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 11:08:34 AM   
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Whats the price diff. between the 2?  Then think what it will cost to build up the 650 if you want to go that way

Stock mudpro is a cool idea but it sucks dropping that kind of coin and havin the same setup (rims/rubber/snorkle) as many others.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 1:17:21 PM   
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I don't see how you can even compare the two.  The 650 can-am will dominate the arctic cat 650 or 700 in all performance based areas other than ground clearance.  In a drag, the only Arctic Cat it won't beat is a T-cat.  But drags are not all that matter.

To prove my point, I won the 2008 Mud Nationals Mudacross on a 650 can-am max with snorkels, a dalton clutch kit, and 28' outlaws.  That included racing against other 800 can-ams, 750 brutes, 950 T-Cats, etc.  Granted there is alot of luck involved in mud racing, the 650 can-am is no slouch and is a contender with whatever it lines up against and current production bike regardless of cc's.  I don't think you can say that with anything less than a T-Cat from Arctic Cat.

I do like the T-Cat, but I think thats the only Arctic Cat I would consider purchasing.  The T-Cat has lots of potential. 

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 2:22:41 PM   
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The T-Cat has lots of potential. 



True. Just unlocked 23 horsepower out of the motor. Much more to come soon.  But on the subject, can am's dominate so can't go wrong there. Out of the choices you gave me, I say can am.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/20/2008 2:40:45 PM   
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All bikes and mfg's have issues or quirks.  I bought an 2008 Can-Am with no leaking weep holes or CVT's.  I know of no known Can-Am issues with 2008 and above.....  Viso Lock Schimso lock.  Who cares?  The 4WD works when you need it, which is rare. 

I still would much rather have a wet belt than a cracked case/bevel gear, crap diff seals that needs to be changed every other ride.

I have owned and rode both AC and BRP.  I just sold my 2nd H1 last week.  I do love the ground clearance and the over all look of ArticCat but thats not everything.  I was in love with the 800 on the first date and look forward to see the 800R in action.   I will switch again in 2010..

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 2:44:43 AM   
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well striaght up thoughts on buyin a atv. you will need to find out what are you wantin a bike to do: straight mud/water over the fenders, racing and being compeative at it, a lil of both, ride with your friends and use it around the farm, etc. i mean you need to see what your are goin to with your investment. reseach each brand. find some dealers and reseach them. test drive a few bikes and look at the features you are getttin.  and the most important thing is get what you can afford and want.

i did that and i bought my AC and i love it. i aint brand picky cause my next bike prob have a BRP on the side. just for racing.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 3:23:27 AM   
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Lots of great info here, but come on guys the seat!! the seat!!  Don't forget about it. It's like a pillow 

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 6:04:15 AM   
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quote:

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What he meant was the add ons will not void your warranty like they do on other bikes.


We have all the mods listed in sig and still have warranty.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 6:56:28 AM   
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Lots of great info here, but come on guys the seat!! the seat!!  Don't forget about it. It's like a pillow 


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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 7:15:01 AM   
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I gave my opinion over on the ac forum ...

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 10:48:06 AM   
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Thanks to everyone who has given their opinion, after reading these and other threads on the forum y'all have given me more to think about to help with my decision. One other thing I would like to know is how the AC 4x4 compares to the Can Am 4x4? Viscolok vs electric locker switch?


I probably should have included this in the beginning but mud is the priority. I don't really need high-end speed because my group doesnt really race its more bout who can get through what. I guess if the mudpro wasn't coming out I'd probably be leaning toward Can Am or Polaris over Arctic Cat.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 10:52:53 AM   
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in the mud or sand, the visco is fine.  In off camber technical riding the visco is way behind manual lockers, no question about it.  They take a few solid revolutions before both front tires are locked.

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RE: Outlander 650 vs Arctic Cat Mudpro - 8/21/2008 10:53:48 AM   
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Thanks to everyone who has given there opinion, after reading these and other threads on the forum y'all have given me more to think about to help with my decision. One other thing I would like to know is how the AC 4x4 compares to the Can Am 4x4? Viscolok vs electric locker switch?


I probably should have included this in the beginning but mud is the priority. I don't really need high-end speed because my group doesnt really race its more bout who can get through what. I guess if the mudpro wasn't coming out I'd probably be leaning toward Can Am or Polaris over Arctic Cat.


Maybe the new popo.....but not an older one!  Once you hear one with a pipe.....yuk!  parallel twins dont sound good to me!

I must say.....I hear the visco lok os good for some....bad for others.  I myself prefer the locker.  I have the best of both worlds!

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2006 Rhino SE: Rotax 800 V-Twin
Murdered Out!
2-seat custom cage with bed-delete
Triple guage kit
HL 2" lift kit
HMF Slip-on
Dynojet Power Commander
SS108's on 28" Mudlite XL's

(in reply to n2deep_2009)
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