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ORIGINAL: bryanmach1

For trails, reliable, longevity, simplicity, least maintainence.... KQ for sure and it sounds like thats what your looking for

For all out performance, mud, modability..... The brute is nasty

The KQ has a much better 4x4 system and tranny, but has less mods availiable. Less maintaince is needed on the KQ because of the constsnt tention tranny compared to the slip and go Kawi style that needs tranny kits (springs) for larger tires, periotic shim/belt maintainence and or replacement. Both will be great on the trails. The brute is capable of serious power once set up right. Lifts and larger tires are easier to fit on the brute and with the extra power availiable, prob better for mudding.

I've ridden both, and both great bikes. For the style of riding your looking to do, I would say KQ....

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ORIGINAL: SouthernSuzuki

Which one would be best for trails?

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ORIGINAL: 4man0822

    LiveForMud Man I read your post earlier in the AC section bout gear ratios, & you're batting 1000!!  I give you 2  for being dead on!  Very nice, helpful info! Thanks & later                   Brandon

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ORIGINAL: LiveForMud

i'm not on my desktop computer right now, but tomorrow i'll throw some stats at you on these two machines.

in short:

The brute 750 has a slight advantage in power and a HUGE advantage in gearing (great for mudders and drag racers). The sound of that V-twin is hard to beat too. But kawi still runs the old grab-n-go belt drive, which isn't as durable or reliable as the newer constant tension design that suzuki, arctic cat, and yamaha use. while the power difference is very small between the king and the brute when both are stock, the brute has a MONSTER array of engine mods available to it... there's even a big bore stroker kit that punches this engine out to 916cc. beware of the front differential though... they have been known to blow. and you'll be doing a little more maintenance on the belt drive versus the king quad.

The king quad has a MUCH better transmission with it's internal centrifugal clutch and constant tension belt. it's about impossible to burn the belt and this type of transmission is MUCH smoother and quieter. The king will also handle a LOT better due to it's better suspension geometry. no worries with the differentials and the suzuki 4wd and locker system is rock solid and engages instantly (the kawi has an annoying delay going into 4wd). supposedly the new 750 king quad doesn't suffer near as bad from the lag issue as the 700s did. either way a VDI will fix the king quad up real well and allow you to tune it spot-on for any mods you might do. but you'll almost always be behind the brute in terms of power, and the king quad isn't geared near as low as the brute so you'll have a harder time turning big meats in thick mud (it'll still turn 29.5s, but it won't rip them as hard as a brute will). if you're looking for a mostly trail/sport/pleasure riding machine, this shouldn't matter anyway.

i guess you could say the brute wins in raw power and bang for the buck, while the king quad wins in quality and durability/reliability. kinda like a 25 year old guy comparing dating the hot-n-crazy 20 year old college chick or the wise and composed 30 year old woman. you want wild and fearless fun with a lot of strings attached? or would you prefer quality and refinement in a slightly less potent, but more reliable package?


tough call... suzuki would have a perfect combination if they just take the current engine, turn it into a V-twin (optional really), leave the high range gearing alone, and lower the low range gearing about 20% and they'd have about the best machine on the market. in fact my only beef with the 700 and 750 KQs is that suzuki didn't give them that really strong low range gearing that the vinson and eiger automatics had (arctic cat 400, 500, and 650H1 all had the same gearing). the new king quad 450 has the same gearing as the  eiger auto and i'll tell you that low range is LOW geared. i've often wondered though if some of the lower gears in the king quad 450 transmission could be swapped into the 700/750 engines for a nice big gear reduction.

you'll see what i'm talking about when i post the gear ratios of all these...

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ORIGINAL: LiveForMud

i guess you could say the brute wins in raw power and bang for the buck, while the king quad wins in quality and durability/reliability. kinda like a 25 year old guy comparing dating the hot-n-crazy 20 year old college chick or the wise and composed 30 year old woman. you want wild and fearless fun with a lot of strings attached? or would you prefer quality and refinement in a slightly less potent, but more reliable package?