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Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/20/2008 11:30:51 PM

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anyone ever owned a bruteforce and if so how does it compare to the arctic cat in your opinions?

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 7:51:14 AM

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I have not ever owned one but have road one a couple times there pretty nice bikes, they feel tippy compared to mine anyway, but i would really what to say they just feel different not in a bad way though.
Only thing i see bad with them, they are Hard to work on the belt setup is not real good and the locker set up just seems like the way it works it will burn the clutches out and stop working after some time on it.
good quads though the one i ride with has no more or less problems then the other quads in our group. they are just different from what iam used to.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 8:07:50 AM

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very strong, but motors dont last along with electrics (try like 6 months) oh well they are nice machines other than that. oh and front diffs. are weak. by the way my rear is broke in my h1 lol.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 8:09:50 AM

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I did not, but a friend of mine did. He went from an 08' Cat 650 to an 08' Brute 750. The Brute was leaking at the seals on the motor from the factory with hardly any miles on it. In one day of riding, the motor went to smoking bad. When he brought it to the dealer, they said the motor was trash, and will be put with the other 12 new Brute motors that have to be sent to Kawi before they can fix it under warranty. Long story short... Kawi rejected and said the motor got ruined because of riding in the mud and was not a defect, so they refused to warranty. After arguing with the dealer, they came down from $3500 to $2200 for them to rebuild the motor so he would not slander them.

He lost out big time with this Brute... now he's back on a new Cat 650. I don't know if this is a common issue, or just a freak deal, but there were 12 other new Brute motors in the shop at that time with the same problem.

I personally don't have anything against Brutes, or any other brand, just thought I would share what I do know about the Brutes thru someone else!

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 8:12:36 AM

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sounds common to me.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 8:33:38 AM

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I ride with one alot. Very powerful and fast, lots of fun to ride. Lots of mods availiable. Very strong cv's.

Downside is that the trannys need tranny kits and constant maintainence and occasional replacement of belts with bigger tires. 4x4 system sucks, you have to be moveing to engage or risk blowing up front diff if trying to lock it in while stuck by feathering throttle and not moving. I've seen that happen!!! I personaly don't like the lever style locker that you have to hold to enguage, and like GWC said, with big tires, the limited slip diff dosent seem to hold both tires in thick stuff which is when you need the locker. Relocation of the radiator is a must if riding alot in the mud (good idea on all bikes). Brutes have smaller radiators and get HOT. I have also read alot about motors popping when getting water in them but havent witnessed it first hand.

Once these bikes are set up right they are nasty. If you don't have a problem turning a wrench every now and then, the brute is a great bang for the buck. If I were buying a new bike, I would probably stick with AC because I like the simplicity, but the brute would be a close second for the added fun factor.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 8:56:46 AM

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Dont have a brute but I have a Kawi on my Cat. Motor has lots of power.... and aftermarket mods for the motor are endless!!!! You can spend as much as you want and there is always something else you can do to them. (ask my wife

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Now the best way to desicrbe it is if you like to tinker with your bike constantly then you will like the Kawi... As stated above it takes constant maintance to keep them running strong mainly in the clutch department. It is all real easy and once you've done it so many times you can get real quick at it.

The motors are definatly not the most reliable in the atv market.... I had to change the timeing chains with 200 miles on it and rebuild it at 600 miles but this was mainly from drowning it. If you ride deep water alot and there is a chance you might drown it a couple times then buy anything but a Kawi!!!!!! A single cylinder will be far more reliable in the water.

As far as the rest of the bike goes..... they are awsome looking and have the strongest stock CV axles out of all the brands. As stated above I've heard the front diffs and 4x4 systems leave a little something to be desired but I havent seen it slow many Brutes down I've had one follow my Cat all day long with 0 problems.

Thats about all I know about the bike it self. If you need more detail on the motors or clutches just let me know.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 11:14:34 AM

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i wouls agree with everything above. as long as you dont drive it like a fool and drown it you should be ok. only other problem i have seen if any was overheat problems. fun factor is deff. better than the cat.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 11:39:17 AM

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Would you believe my friend has a Brute with over a thousand miles on it, and the belt cover has never been off. It's had 28" Mudzilla's and 29.5" outlaws it whole life. He gives it **** to. He did blow a front diff. And lots of electrical stuff. Oh, and now it's smoking real bad and needs timing chains. But the original belt, that's just crazy.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 2:05:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 8upwithmud

Would you believe my friend has a Brute with over a thousand miles on it, and the belt cover has never been off. It's had 28" Mudzilla's and 29.5" outlaws it whole life. He gives it **** to. He did blow a front diff. And lots of electrical stuff. Oh, and now it's smoking real bad and needs timing chains. But the original belt, that's just crazy.

never had any problems with my belt either just other problems. i had a 6" rilla lift and 29.5s

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 2:36:59 PM

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so the best thang to do is stick with the arctic cat?

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 3:29:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mud Cat 650

so the best thang to do is stick with the arctic cat?

not necesarilly.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/21/2008 6:13:35 PM

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Dont get my post wrong, if the BF had a different belt set up i might be on one right now( and really once you figure out what set up is good for your tire size and rideing its not a problem anymore) , when i bought my 650H1 i was also looking at BF650 they where the same price as what i paid for my 650H1 and when it come down to it i like the looks alittle better on my Cat and the fact i allready had wheels, wheel spacers, lift springs and all the stuff made it easyer for me..lol

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/22/2008 1:17:53 AM

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i was just thinkin about tradin my ac for a brute force? But probably not really.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/22/2008 2:34:03 AM

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I went from a h1 to a brute this year all I can say is it is a blast . dont get me wrong I just have to have more power than the h1 had ,,now I need more than the brute but it isnt so easy to find a machine more powerful than a brute with a 800 bbk. so I will be buying a t cat and waiting on 1,400 cc bbk for it.

brand loyalty is ignorant , you do not get a reward for it.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/22/2008 5:26:46 AM

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I rode an H1 and my buddy has a BF650. While I put axle seals in alot, he puts rear seals in the engine alot!
Stock you can fry a belt on the BF easy just trying to "ease" out of anything in reverse, the h1 doesn't slip. I don't like the locker , and yes they do wear clutches and quit working! Takes a 2" lift to match the h1 GC stock. When you get alittle mud or leaves in the radiator, the BF runs HOT and will overheat. The BF has crazy power compared to the H1. To me, unlike GWC, I thought the BF rode better on trails than the h1, could be mine was set stiff as the shocks would go and the BF wasnt. My friend as sunk his once, we drained it and towed it back, then drain drain drain, flush flush flush. That was about a year ago, no problems out of the Vtwin. I personally don't see anything WRONG with getting one, if you are looking to change up.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/22/2008 8:23:05 AM

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quote:

brand loyalty is ignorant , you do not get a reward for it.

yes exactly, buy what you want because they all have some sort of issuse that you will have to deal with or figure out how to fix.

if you want a BF go get one

we will still be here to help if you need it...lol

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 3:13:09 AM

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thanks alot everybody for the responses

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 11:54:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fatcat 650

I need more than the brute but it isnt so easy to find a machine more powerful than a brute with a 800 bbk. so I will be buying a t cat and waiting on 1,400 cc bbk for it.

If that's even possible...

It could be though. We'll see.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 1:47:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kratos

quote:

ORIGINAL: fatcat 650

I need more than the brute but it isnt so easy to find a machine more powerful than a brute with a 800 bbk. so I will be buying a t cat and waiting on 1,400 cc bbk for it.

If that's even possible... It could be though. We'll see.

It could be speculation but I thought I saw it talked about on here a long time ago about 3-4 months back . then again a 950 with 3.6 gears will probably work well to.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 2:45:13 PM

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It's not too far fetched. But 1200 bbk I think is well within our reach. Trust me, it will be more than enough for anyone to handle.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 4:22:28 PM

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alot of my friends have Brutes,they are nice powerful machines and very fun to ride.The downfall of the power is it is hard on the belt and the axles.The other downfall of the brute is there usually isn't a second chance with water in the motor,usually if you get water in it you can pretty much say goodbye and save your money to pay for the very expensive rebuild.I love riding my friends brutes but the cost of parts and labor on those bikes is to high for me.If your a regular weekend mudder just havin fun with the guys i'de go for single cylinder designed engines just for the reliability.As far as the Brute goes though,all bikes have their issues and they are no different from the rest.They are solid bikes and if maintained properly they are really really nice and very fun to ride,ide definitely say that riding a brute is more fun than riding my 650.But as long as you keep it in the mud the 650s torque will just steady pull it through thick sloppy stuff all day and most of the time outshine the brute

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 4:36:22 PM

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i had a 07 brute i had it 10 months and put four motor in it. the seals for the drive shafts go out quick. another guy on our race team had his a week and the seals went out and he didnt know it and went through some deep water for about 5 mins and ruined his motor. I now ride a 50 h1 and love it! BUY A CAT, ITLL SAVE YOU ALOT!!!

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/23/2008 6:01:12 PM

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I have a 08 brute and yes the seals on the motor of these things seem to be a problem....I have had mine for about 9 months and I have had to replace the rear motor seal once, cost like $10 and took like 15 minutes to do. As stated above the 4x4 system could use some changes, it just comes down to if you think your going to need 4 wheel drive then go ahead and put in 4x4 before you hit the hole.

However, all that being said the freaking power of these things is crazy. Even with big ole heavy 30" mudzillas this thing will keep up acceleration wise with my rzr, just not top end speed.

But I think the most important thing with the brute and probly alot of other bikes, you just can't let your ego get the better of you. Because if you do you will be breaking stuff, especially with the power the brute has.

Oh yea the seal is the only problem I have had or broken on this bike, even running on 30s.

The best thing to do is go test ride both of them and see what feels the best to you.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/24/2008 12:21:59 AM

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thank im gonna stick with the ac, it aint like I got the money to change anyway. just wonderin about it.

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/24/2008 2:41:13 AM

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I had an 07 brute, and now have 2 05's, I absolutely love my brutes. The power is amazing, the looks....come on, these things look angry ! All the talk about motors bein bad and electronics bein crap....if you prep your machine...a little dielectric grease, and set up your clutch properly, you'll not have problems. The front diff's are junk, but if you don't abuse it like an idiot ( which I recently did ) you won't have problems. Bottom line is, every machine has its quirks, if you get a brute, set it up for the kind of riding you plan to do, take your time, do it right, and you won't have issues.

Just make sure you have a good grip when you grab that throttle......lol

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RE: Kawisaki Brute Force - 8/24/2008 2:55:17 AM

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I just wanted to add one more thing, I saw a post that said kawasaki wouldn't warranty a motor because it was rode in mud, that's the dealership or should I say stealership, droppin the ball not kaw. The dealer I deal with plays videos of me for their customers, they use the vids as a closing tool. That bein said they know that my quads are in the water and mud 24/7 and even tho my 2 05's are outa warranty they always try to pull strings for me to get things takin care of, if I need it.

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