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Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 6/27/2008 8:33:53 PM   
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I've done a bunch of research online, read a lot of reviews.  Edmunds has been a great resource.  I'm looking at possibly purchasing a JGC off EBAY.  I'm choosing EBAY for several reasons, mostly price compared to a dealer around here.  I'm not posting to get many opinions on purchasing from EBAY, but if you wish to share some, great! 
I'm interested in avg mpg.. city or highway or both.  I've read very mixed reviews, regardless of engine size.  Some state only 12-14mpg, while other reviews state 21mpg... If you reply to this, offer your engine size.  I'm only interested in the new generation, mostly 2006-present.
I've narrowed choices down to this vehicle and the 4-runner, which gets great mpg... but doesn't come with near as many interior options for the price, as the JGC does. 

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/2/2008 3:52:44 AM   
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i don't want to hurt your feelings and this is just my opinion.  I had a 2002 jeep grand cherokee limited 4.7 v8 leather woodgrain, power everything.  It was perfect and really comfortable.  I bought it with 50 thousand on the clock.  By 74 thousand.  The power steering pump went out 2 times, the transmission the rear main seal and oil pressure sensor seal were leaking.  My ac went out, the gas tank leaked all kinds of stuff.  it had a really bad idle which every jeep cherokee or grand cherokee is known for.  i changed everything besides tearing the motor down to try and fix it and nothing.  They gas mileage was no better than 16.  Thats was fred flintstoning it.  but of course it was the 4.7 v8.  Dodge is known for a horrible trans in just about everything they make.  It was not holding the power of the 4.7 v8 very well.  Converter seemed to slip as well as the occasional clutch slip around the end of 3rd.  My buddy had a 01 4.0 v6.  his had around 90 thousand.  His trans went out.  Never leaked and fluids were changed every 25 to 30 thousand miles.  He drives like a freakin grandpa.  His had a nasty idle.  I mean from say 500 to 700 rpms.  It would fluxuate all the time.  Very very aggrivating.  Especially when there is no fix.  His maybe go the best of 18.  They aren't very reliable in my opinion.  He has a jeep wrangler now with 30 thousand on the clock and check engine light comes on and off.  Its having problems downshifting.  Rough rough idle.  The list goes on.  ON the 4 runner they are very reliable.  They will last forever.  My buddy has had 4 or 5 of them and he refuses to drive anything else.  I never hear of his 4-runner messing up.  I would go with the name that lasts..... toyota!

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/2/2008 7:18:50 PM   
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Dude you had a lemon!!!!! Your problems are not Dodges design faults, the trannys they put behind the 4.7s are EXACTLY the same internally as the ones found behind the 425hp 6.1L HEMI. They are holding that kind of power just fine. The reason that people that don't know any better think that ALL Dodges had weak trannys is that in between the years of 92 and 98 they used an outdated and poorly designed trans behind the "new" for teh time Magnum V8s, the updated ones they started using in 98 didn't have nearly the amount of repeat problems that the 92-98 trucks did. If you want to talk about a weak tranny how about the Ford Truck trans that they had at least 3 different recalls on and wound up extending the warranty on because they had so many problems. Or how about the newer GM tranny they have in the Cadillac SRXs recalls were beating those to the dealers, my point is simple if any body has a prob with Dodge fine, BUT STOP SAYING THAT ALL DODGES HAVE WEAK TRANSMISSIONS CAUSE THAT IS BS plain and simple. My 02 Dakota has the 4.7L and 45RFE trans in it and it has seen 55,000 full throttle miles with me driving (71000 total mi) and hasn't gave me a hint of a prob yet. My Dak also gets 21mpg on the highway and 16 around town. I can name off 4 of my freinds that have had Cherokees and have had over 250000 mi on all 4 of them with no major problems to speak of except for one of them blew the rear out of one at 323,456 mi spinning the **** out of 33in Swampers in a mud bog. My little Brother just got a Cherokee with the 318 V8 and it has 163,000 mi and only prob it has is a bad axle bearing and seal. Now I'm not saying that Dodges and Jeeps don't have probs cause they do, if they didn't I wouldn't have a job lol, I have more horror stories about Chevys then most Bowtie guys care to listen to cause I've worked at a GM and Toyota dealer for going on 4yrs now. Trust me Chevy trucks have their tranny problems too on a regular basis, thats why they had to start using Torque Management to limit the engines power from a take off so the trans wouldn't break, at least not untill the warranty is out. And don't think for a minute just because you buy a Totota you won't have problems I'm not so ignorant that I am saying they don't make a good product cause they do but it WILL still break just like anything else. Take a look at this 2000 4 Runner's frame rail. Yes just 8 yrs old and already is rusted that bad! Toyota is recalling Tacomas and 4 Runners from like 97 to 02 for this problem, and if the frame is rusty they are buying back the trucks for 1.5 times blue book value.



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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/2/2008 8:19:11 PM   
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i have to agree with bomb dodge trannys are garbage even the newer ones.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/2/2008 9:06:51 PM   
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Yeh I would look at a 4-runner. My friend has or had would be a better word first generation 4 runner with the 22r. Well 300 thousand miles later, 20 years of Canadain salt roads, and towing atvs from Alaska to Florida, he just bought a new one. Not because anything was wrong with it other then the rust, but because he wraped it around a telophone poll. Yeh he got a brand new toyota tacoma.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/3/2008 11:37:44 AM   
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I had an 02 Grand Cherokee Laredo with the 4.0 inline 6. It held up great until the 100k mark. The water pump went out and my wife was driving it and overheated it and blew the headgasket. That was about a 1600 dollar repair because I was deployed and couldn't do it myself. Next was electrical problems; window motors, cd player, hatch release. I did repair those myself but still had around another 1,000 in parts. The window motor and regulator is one assembly and not cheap. I put an aftermarket cd player in it which was only 250.00.
I can't complain much. None of the problems came up til I was over the 100k mark and after repairing what did mess up I traded it in on my truck with about 112k on it.
The inline 6 was not real fuel efficient. I averaged about 12 in the city and 16 on the hwy. At best I would get 18 on hwy during long trips. I think they fixed that by replacing the inline 6 with a V6 (3.7L).
As for the transmission it had 112k on it when I traded it in and I never had a problem from it.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/6/2008 7:35:13 PM   
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Before you go and buy that new Toyota and think just because its a Toyota it will never break do some research and price some of those parts out for a 4 Runner. I'll get you started as I just put a window motor in a 06 4 Runner last week, the only way to get the motor is with the regulator and it will set you back a cool $469.87, plus 2hrs labor. Now lets look at another common problem area an Oxygen sensor, I priced one out for a 05 Taco week before last, that was $250+ for just the sensor. Here's a good one that you might get to see once you get more then 80k on a Toyota, Catalytic Converter. For a 05-up 4 Runner the Cats cost $1300+. Look into some of the prices of ABS parts on Toyotas, I priced out a master cyl for a 07 Taco one day just for laughs when they first came out in late 06 and almost choked to death on a mint, $2700 for the master cyl cause the ABS HCU is built into it. The thing I've always told people is this, It might take a LITTLE longer for toyotas to break some things but they WILL still break and when they do you WILL pay out the **** to repair it. I don't want to give the wrong opinion here I talked my mom into buying a 4 Runner just because my step dad wouldn't let her even look at the Grand Cherokee or Durango, and I threatened to kill him if she bought an Exploder or Expedition. I just want to make it perfectly clear that TOYOTAS DO BREAK, If they didn't there would be no service depts at Toyota dealers like mine.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/6/2008 8:09:02 PM   
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none of the parts you mentioned are common problems with yotas except for the cats.  Which you can buy an aftermarket better than stock cat for 80 bucks and about 50 for an exhaust shop to put it in.  130 is a far cry from 1300 buddy.  Second i bet the prices on the parts are pretty close to the same as the dodges.  Yota parts are not as expensive as people make them out to be, or hard to get for that matter.  Most common parts are stocked at the delearship and resonalby priced compared to the domestics.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/6/2008 8:35:12 PM   
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Derek,
we've owned five Jeep Grand Cherokees.  One was the 4.0 I-L six, and it got 16 mpg on the highway.  Two were the 318 V-8, and they got about 14 mpg on the highway.  One was a 5.9 V-8, and it got 12 mpg on the highway, and needed premium fuel.  The last one was a 4.7 V-8 and it got between 14 and 16 mpg on the highway. 

We stopped buying Jeep Grand Cherokees because of their terrible resale value.  We bought new, and traded them in when the warranty was up at 36,000 miles, so the resale value was an issue.  You are buying used, so you are able to take advantage of their poor resale value (thats why they cost less than the 4-Runner).  We never had a problem with any of our Grand Cherokees.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/7/2008 5:32:04 PM   
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none of the parts you mentioned are common problems with yotas except for the cats.  Which you can buy an aftermarket better than stock cat for 80 bucks and about 50 for an exhaust shop to put it in.  130 is a far cry from 1300 buddy.  Second i bet the prices on the parts are pretty close to the same as the dodges.  Yota parts are not as expensive as people make them out to be, or hard to get for that matter.  Most common parts are stocked at the delearship and resonalby priced compared to the domestics.


Actually ALL of the parts I mentioned are common probs on Toyotas thats why I can name off the prices off the top of my head, except for the master cyl price on the Taco. By all means feel free to compare Toyota prices to any of the domestic brands and try to prove me wrong. Also if the aftermarket cats are so much better why won't they pass emissions tests? And also I want the phone # to the shop that will only charge $50 in labor to replace one of the two cats on a newer Yota, have you ever tried to get those things out? They suck! If that shop is willing to do it that cheap I have a Jeep YJ that is in serious need of a cheap exhaust sys.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/7/2008 5:45:33 PM   
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none of the parts you mentioned are common problems with yotas except for the cats.  Which you can buy an aftermarket better than stock cat for 80 bucks and about 50 for an exhaust shop to put it in.  130 is a far cry from 1300 buddy.  Second i bet the prices on the parts are pretty close to the same as the dodges.  Yota parts are not as expensive as people make them out to be, or hard to get for that matter.  Most common parts are stocked at the delearship and resonalby priced compared to the domestics.


Actually ALL of the parts I mentioned are common probs on Toyotas thats why I can name off the prices off the top of my head, except for the master cyl price on the Taco. By all means feel free to compare Toyota prices to any of the domestic brands and try to prove me wrong. Also if the aftermarket cats are so much better why won't they pass emissions tests? And also I want the phone # to the shop that will only charge $50 in labor to replace one of the two cats on a newer Yota, have you ever tried to get those things out? They suck! If that shop is willing to do it that cheap I have a Jeep YJ that is in serious need of a cheap exhaust sys.


Simon muffler in Baton Rouge, LA, and the cats i am referring to which are magnflow will pass emissions.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/7/2008 6:34:03 PM   
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Not in northern VA, they might pass the sniffer test fine but not the visual inspection. They cant be cut and welded in, they have to be a factory replacement bolt in type. I know its a technicality but its the law unfortunately.
I'm really not trying to bash Toyota so much as I'm trying to get the truth across about Jeeps and Dodges. Toyota makes a VERY good product, and so does Jeep and Dodge. Every single manufacturer has their problems period. Just because its a Toyota does not mean you won't have any problems. And despite what some s will say about Dodges trannies, they are not the same as they were 10yrs ago. Not saying they are perfect but they won't have any more problems then other brands now. Believe it or not its your problem.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/7/2008 8:35:34 PM   
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Im not saying a toyota wont break, im just saying it wont break as much as a dodge.  Dodge has not fixed their tranny's, i have buddies with newer model rams that have had 2-3 tranny rebuilds already underwarranty, but still its a pain loosing your truck for a week/weeks at a time.

As far as a cat cannot be welded in a have never heard that in my life.  Even on magnaflow says they have been tested and are legal in the U.S.  If you wanted to get technical with it, i guess you could always cut of the flange of the stock cat and weld it the magnaflow cat then bolt it in.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/22/2008 3:01:34 AM   
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hondaguy.  You did way too much research on the toyota and not enough on a dodge/chrysler/jeep.  The trans they used in the 05 cummins diesel(not sure about the 08's) was like a 20 year old antique.  People with stock trucks no chip, nothing aftermarket.  Never pulling anything but a jet ski trailer are having trans problems in the first 50,000 miles.  The trans in the jeeps could possibly be a good trans.  But a converter, a valve body, a shift enhancer, and some shift points need to be changed to make that possible.  That would make it stand up for a while without problems.  All dodge cars, trucks, vans, and suv's have bad trans setups from the factory.  Now if you baby it everyday all day, im sure it will be fine for a long time.  Keep hammering on yours and you will see what we are saying.  I just know i have had a jeep and plenty of friends with dodges.  They all had power window problems, they all had trans problems, and they all had some sort wiring and oxygen sensor problem.  I also had two friends that had the 4.0 inline 6 grand cherokees that had wiring problems and the dealer had to actually cut and splice the wiring harness!!  You want to know what that spells??? T..R..O..U..B..L..E!  Dont get me wrong i loved my jeep but i promised myself after my last one.... i would not and could not ever buy another dodge products unless it was a cummins with a built trans!  Which a bulletproof one cost around $7,000 maybe even a little more.  Im not saying toyotas are garaunteed a better vehicle all im saying is.. i know a lot more people with toyotas and they mud ride all the time, they drive them hard as heck, and they put up with it.  I had a buddy with a 99 4 runner.  Stock motor and auto trans with a trd supercharger with a 8lb lower pulley, 23's, all kinds of sound system yada yada.... etc..  He droves the livin $%$#$ out of it and he never had one problem.  Never left him stranded. Never slipped a gear.  Never cracked the frame.  Never replaced the catalytic coverter after the trd exhaust.  Never had to put a rearend in it.  Nothing!!!!!!!!!!  It took every bit of the abuse he gave it.  My jeep which was all wheel drive got drove everyday like i stole it.  It held up for 20 some odd thousand miles and it started going where?  Downhill..  The resale value was 8 grand lower than when i bought it.(not even a year and about 30,000 miles later)  My friends 4 runner with 100,000 more miles and 3 years older than my jeep sold for the same amount.  Even minus the wheels and sound sysytem.  Crazy right?  Do a little more research buddy.  If your dakota doesnt have a bad miss or rough idle.... its coming.  Hopefully not anytime soon.  But hey you might have a toyota by then!  Think about it.  Just don't sit on it too long, it may be too late.  A trans repair doesn't sound cheap on the pocketbook.  Don't talk too much about a catalytic converter getting stopped up.  Checked yours lately?   I wonder what your trans fluid and motor oil looks like?  Just better hope the ball joints dont ever have to be changed.  Man its exciting!  Like i said think about what your driving.  It may say dodge, but from what ive learned and seen, about the only thing they dodge is the factory warranty.  After that... downhill!  WOW!  Lifetime warranty for a dodge car, truck, suv, or van.  Read the fine print you may be surprised.  It may say jeep but is it actually trail ready?  Maybe after a 150 point inspection, a oil change, and trans fluid change, gear oil change.  Man, thats too much to deal with.  I'd stick with the toyota.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/22/2008 6:38:09 PM   
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Don't talk too much about a catalytic converter getting stopped up.


Theres nothing to clog they are empty!
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hondaguy.  You did way too much research on the toyota and not enough on a dodge/chrysler/jeep.



After working for Toyota for going on 5yrs now working on their problems all day long everyday I don't need to do research on them! Also its because I work on them and see first hand what they are made of under the tin they call sheet metal that I will NEVER own a Toyota!
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I wonder what your trans fluid and motor oil looks like?  


Both sparkly clean, they are both religeously serviced with synthetic fluids, every 3k for the oil and every 30k for the trans. If you changed the fluids on the Dodges you are refering to on time maybe they would look the same.
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If your dakota doesnt have a bad miss or rough idle.... its coming.  


Nope they both don't, and as long as I own them and doing the maintinance on them they won't. If you maintain the ignition system properly you wouldn't have that problem. You have to change copper spark plugs more often then the $8 a piece platinum toyota ones.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/24/2008 5:07:18 PM   
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well when you own a jeep with 8 plugs and 8 coil packs that change will be expensive.  They have too much maintenance and the value of them drop way too drastically, especially now that gas and diesel are going up.  Cars, trucks, vans, and suvs that dont get any better than 20 mpg.  Are getting horrible resale, let alone trade in value.  But thats every vehicle not just a dodge product.

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RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee opinions... - 7/24/2008 8:13:27 PM   
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Champion Plugs for the 4.7L V8 are less then $2 a piece and the coils don't need to be replaced every time you have them loose unlike the Ford mod motors. That works out to be on of the cheapest V8 tune ups you can possibly do.

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88 Yamaha Banshee (kinda sorta for sale or trade)
Looking for a 4-stroke 400cc or bigger, anybody got any offers pm them to me anything is considered 2wd 4wd etc etc.
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