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How To Tighten The Belt....? - 4/10/2006 11:43:00 AM  1 votes
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whats this i been seeing u tight the belt 22mm or 25mm where do u do that......or how... im gonna install my clutch kit tomorrow and i need help... im gonna install the pink primary and red secondary and k54 weighs...to run 29.5's     ....HELP PLEASE

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/10/2006 11:54:21 AM  3 votes
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I'll copy and paste some info I've typed on this, be patient and I'll help as much as I can.

The belt deflection can be measured by placing a straight edge "ruler" ontop of the belt from the secondary to the primary. Using approx. 13 lbs of pressure with your finger, push down on the belt in the center between the primary and secondary. With another ruler or tape measure, in mm or inches measure how far down the belt goes from the straight edge "ruler" you laid across the top of the primary and secondary. This is your deflection. For the BF, normal deflection is 22mm-27mm or 0.87~1.06in. I have found that 22mm-25mm is the best. If you are around 27mm your gonna want to tighten it. The way the belt is tightened is to remove a determined shim out of the secondary sheave by measuring the shims in the sheave and determining how many mm you need to decrease. (The rule of thumb is: 0.1mm (0.004in.) change in spacer thickness equals about 1.3 mm(0.051in) change in belt deflection.) There are 5 shims availabable with different thicknesses. When Kawi shimmed your quad they put in your secondary what they needed to get your belt in proper deflection. Some people have 2 shims, some have 3. Others can be purchased at your kawi dealer.

What happens when you remove a shim for tightening, the secondary sheaves move closer to the housing while the primary stays the same. This is what tightens your belt.

3 tools you absolutely need are the spring compressor, circlip remover and primary puller. All the rest are usually in a metric tool kit: 10mm socket CVT cover, 19mm socket for primary, 27mm socket for secondary. Flat tip screwdriver to take out the four bushings that hold the secondary together. Broomstick to hold the primary. 1/4 drive or extension hold the secondary pretty good if you can wedge it in the outer sheave and floorboard just right. Brake cleaner to clean out all the belt dust and trash and moly grease for the little bushings and the O rings on the secondary shafts. Oh and a torque wrench so you don't drive the primary back in to far. You can measure the outer sheaves on both in relation to the top of the inside CVT fixed casing if you don't have a torque wrench prior to removing them so when you tighten them back up you get the primary back to the same measurement and whatever you shim the secondary down to should be minus in your new measurement when your done.

To get to the shims, you have to remove the primary clutch and take off the belt. Then remove the secondary and place it into the spring compressor, make a mark on each sheave so when you put it back together they are the same, compress it, remove the circlip and decompress the spring. Pop out the bushing in the center of the sheaves and pull apart. You should then see the shims. If you have a gap tool, you can measure the shims and determine which one to take out to acheive the desired new deflection based on what your starting deflection was.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/10/2006 7:22:48 PM   
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Yep, Mary hit it on the head. But it is a pain the first time. Use an impact wrench to take of the secondary.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/10/2006 7:33:01 PM   
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that first time it is a little tricky, but after that, there is nothing to it.  Just take your time and pay close attention, and enjoy learning how everything works in there.  Once again, Exceptional write up Mudcrazee

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/10/2006 7:36:33 PM  1 votes
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Thanks guys, If I missed something please post it.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/10/2006 8:24:02 PM   
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can you tighten the belt with just the secondary?


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/10/2006 9:52:54 PM   
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Yes that is the only way to tighten it up.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/11/2006 9:20:54 AM  2 votes
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quote:

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can you tighten the belt with just the secondary?


If your asking if you only have to remove the secondary, we tried that with the belt on and it wouldn't work without removing the primary. Keep in mind if you choose to roll the belt off like a chain, then your going to stretch it and risk damaging the secondary sheaves and also by stretching the belt your original measurement for deflection will be off some. But like monsterquadmaniac stated, the shims for tightening and also loosening the belt are located in between the secondary sheaves.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/11/2006 4:30:20 PM   
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Do it with someone who has done it before the first time. It isn't hard, but tricky!

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/11/2006 4:46:45 PM  1 votes
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quote:

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Do it with someone who has done it before the first time. It isn't hard, but tricky!



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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 4:49:44 PM   
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We installed a HL extreme clutch on camoeigers BF750 today. In my webshots, you will find pictures of the job. I included a brief description for each picture. If you have any question, please ask.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 5:10:30 PM   
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well mary you continue to impress me!!!!! umm umm umm cant believe i didnt knock some of that knowledge out of you when i hit you in the head with that box haha lol jk girl. but again sorry for that! you have no idea how bad i felt! WOW!!!!!!!! haha glad that oquered 5 minutes over...haha

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 5:21:02 PM   
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I still have a little knot LOL. My eyelid turned red, black, blue and yellow. Just think, I'll have a scar to remind me of you everytime I look at it. Good thing you don't live closer, I might have to get more insurance LOL, LMFAO.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 5:38:20 PM   
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I need to tighten my belt, accually need a new one, kinda smoked the old when got some water in there somehow lol..........    It sounds like quite the process to get the belt tightness right......

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 5:40:04 PM   
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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 5:43:34 PM   
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quote:

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I need to tighten my belt, accually need a new one, kinda smoked the old when got some water in there somehow lol..........    It sounds like quite the process to get the belt tightness right......

It's really not that bad. Follow this post, I'm probably going to post the pictures on here step by step.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 6:08:38 PM   
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This is a great site ,Thanks again

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 10:04:37 PM   
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mary are you trying to make me feel bad again lol!!!!!

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 10:13:07 PM   
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Thx mary. Great post mudchic

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/13/2006 11:25:12 PM   
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thanks for the help today I learned alot now I can do it next time.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/14/2006 8:38:18 AM   
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Thanks for all the thanks LOL. I'm pretty sure anyone can do this if they follow the service manual and keep it simple. Pictures I've always found are worth a thousand words.

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/14/2006 9:21:29 AM   
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Thx again mudcrazee and Jack for helping me with my loose belt.  Yep, wish we had taken some more pics while doing it to help these guys/gals out.  Next time!

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 11:49:04 AM   
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Straight edge across primary and secondary.


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 11:51:13 AM   
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Measuring deflection pushing down with approx. 13 lbs of pressure. Belt deflection for the BF is 22mm-27mm. Anything over 25, I tighten.


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 11:56:49 AM   
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Removing primary with Kawis tool turn bolt to the right 19mm socket. You can wedge a broomstick or something similar to do this.


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 12:03:19 PM   
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Before you remove the primary and secondary you can take a measurement from the outer primary sheave and secondary sheave in relation to the inside face of the CVT cover so that when you go to reinstall both primary and secondary you have a measurement to tighten back to. This comes in very handy if you don't have a torque wrench as it will prevent you from overtightening. If you remove a shim from the secondary, your new secondary measurement will be minus the shim you took out, but the primary should be the same.


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 12:05:51 PM   
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Primary puller, insert into primary and thread to the right. 19mm


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 12:06:41 PM   
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umm umm umm mary is the girl!!!! i REALLY think you know watcha talkin about!! haha. i can do this stuff but couldnt put it in words and explain it like you for my life!!!

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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 12:08:42 PM   
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Thread puller in using a socket until primary pops off. It takes some muscle.


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RE: how to tight the belt....? - 4/15/2006 12:12:14 PM