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Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 1/16/2008 9:18:18 PM   
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I acquired a set of 27" Outlaw MST tires to replace my 26" MSTs, so I wanted to drill out my stock weights to get a little lower than the EPI 20g weights I have in the clutch now.

The weights I drilled out were the stock 22g pieces from my 07 KQ 700. They werent very exact in stock form, as they ranged between 22.1g and 22.2g. With 4 13/64 holes drilled and no chamfer, they weighed around 20.2g. With 4 15/64 holes drilled and no chamfer, they weighed around 19.6g. With 4 17/64 holes drilled and a slight chamfer to clean up the hole, they weighed around 18.8g. The couple that were higher in weight to begin with I kept making the chamfers a little deeper to get the weights close. They all ended up between 18.80 and 18.85. The weights are actually closer together now than when I started.

I wanted to play around more and try some different sized holes to gather the weight info, but time was limited. Perhaps 4 3/16 holes would get you in the ballpark of a 21g weight, which IMO would be a great weight to add a little zip for a trail rider with shorter tires. Anyways, just thought I'd share.
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 1/16/2008 9:28:01 PM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 1/16/2008 9:33:58 PM   
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         I'm not far off from messing with my clutch set-up myself! Thanks alot--Brandon

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 8:08:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok guys, if you take the factory rollers (at about 22 grams) and drill through them with a 3/4" bit and cross drill 4- 21/64" holes they will come out to be about 14.2-14.7 grams. I took mine and chamfered them down so they all would be exactly 14.2 grams. I dont know if it will work the way i hope but i will post the results when i put them in and ride it a while.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 8:53:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		     full mod. king quad Cool, let us know what you find!  I'm curious as anyone is, mainly because 1 of my buds has a new 08 800 XT. While we were riding this past Sunday, he pulled up beside me & give me the get on it signal, well I did & he couldn't pull away from me. To say the least, he was perty bent about it!  After I do this/clutch kit, I should eat him up!  I did have my stockers on & he had his 27" x 14" XTRs, but he stil;l should have taken me, is what he thought!! Ha! Ha! His lip was kinda drooping for the rest of the day!  Later....Brandon

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filter, 27" Swamp Fox Plus, ATV Audiopipe, with the Bazookas(I love this thing)& **** 2500XT W/syn rope 05 500 Foreman 26"589 M+S 0n black C-4's, HMF Utility series, with jet, & UNI filter, boot guards& kimpex b

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 8:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sweet Brandon, i love stories where the underdog takes the lead, LOL....

Im going to try to put the rollers in this weekend but i have a lot to do..... rollers, XPATV lift, HL springs and hunt easter eggs.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 9:44:46 PM   
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Sweet Brandon, i love stories where the underdog takes the lead, LOL....

Im going to try to put the rollers in this weekend but i have a lot to do..... rollers, XPATV lift, HL springs and hunt easter eggs.


   I heard that, but I'm working some OT! Time & half + 8hrs + 10% NSB on Friday night, & Double time + 10% NSB on Sunday night!   That should bout double my check, with just those 2 extra nights!    Hopefully it won't be too long before I can get some more mods for the King!  Does anyone know when the PC3 will be available for the 750? I don't see any need in getting my pipe w/o having a controller at the same time!  Later....Brandon 

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My new ride= 08 750 King Quad Belt snorked, VDI, M109R injector, EPI yellow spring, 18 gram weights, 2mm shim mod(Coop 45 mod) Twin Air & Yoshi=WOW!
4 a single, she hauls!!

"STOLEN"--- 07 700 Camo King Yoshi Pipe, PC3, UNI
filter, 27" Swamp Fox Plus, ATV Audiopipe, with the Bazookas(I love this thing)& **** 2500XT W/syn rope 05 500 Foreman 26"589 M+S 0n black C-4's, HMF Utility series, with jet, & UNI filter, boot guards& kimpex b

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 9:59:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hear you Brandon, as far as the PC 3 goes, the 750 has the same injector connection doesn't it? If so, all you would have to do is be the first one to dyno the 750.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 10:02:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		     Cool, thanks Andy. I might just have to check into that!  Just like that Patsy Cline song, Break it to me gently, that's how I'll break it to lil momma! Ha! Ha! Ha!....Brandon

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My new ride= 08 750 King Quad Belt snorked, VDI, M109R injector, EPI yellow spring, 18 gram weights, 2mm shim mod(Coop 45 mod) Twin Air & Yoshi=WOW!
4 a single, she hauls!!

"STOLEN"--- 07 700 Camo King Yoshi Pipe, PC3, UNI
filter, 27" Swamp Fox Plus, ATV Audiopipe, with the Bazookas(I love this thing)& **** 2500XT W/syn rope 05 500 Foreman 26"589 M+S 0n black C-4's, HMF Utility series, with jet, & UNI filter, boot guards& kimpex b

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/20/2008 10:11:35 PM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/21/2008 5:41:55 PM   
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This is only from memory, but I seem to remember someone trying to run extremely light weights like that and the clutches didnt wanna shift out right for them.  Make sure to post up a 100% accurate description of how the machine responds, so this info can be saved for future searches.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/21/2008 7:36:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought about that myself, i also thought about just changing every other roller out, im running 18 gram weights now so i was going to mix the 14's with it too see what would happen. I will definitly post the results whether they are good or bad.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/21/2008 8:17:05 PM   
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I thought about that myself, i also thought about just changing every other roller out, im running 18 gram weights now so i was going to mix the 14's with it too see what would happen. I will definitly post the results whether they are good or bad.


    Unlike one of our fellow King riders, I trust that you will!! LOL! Guess I'll quit bout there! Ha! Ha!...Brandon 

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My new ride= 08 750 King Quad Belt snorked, VDI, M109R injector, EPI yellow spring, 18 gram weights, 2mm shim mod(Coop 45 mod) Twin Air & Yoshi=WOW!
4 a single, she hauls!!

"STOLEN"--- 07 700 Camo King Yoshi Pipe, PC3, UNI
filter, 27" Swamp Fox Plus, ATV Audiopipe, with the Bazookas(I love this thing)& **** 2500XT W/syn rope 05 500 Foreman 26"589 M+S 0n black C-4's, HMF Utility series, with jet, & UNI filter, boot guards& kimpex b

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/21/2008 8:33:49 PM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/29/2008 3:22:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, i found out something interesting today, when i bought my EPI clutch kit, it came with 20 gram weights, i thought they were 18 grams.



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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/29/2008 3:24:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh well, i just got through installing the 14 gram weights and im going to go ride it tonight to see how they do.



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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/29/2008 8:43:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really like the 14 gram weights, i got a chance to ride it a little (about 20 miles) and i can definitly tell a difference on the lowend, pulls great from a dead stop. The bad thing is, i can tell im going to lose a lot of fuel economy because the centrifugal clutches don't really engage until i hit about 20 mph. Another good thing is, i didn't really need low range for steep hills, but im sure i'll be using low in the mud still. I'll be updating every now and then as things show up.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/29/2008 9:01:55 PM   
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I really like the 14 gram weights, i got a chance to ride it a little (about 20 miles) and i can definitly tell a difference on the lowend, pulls great from a dead stop. The bad thing is, i can tell im going to lose a lot of fuel economy because the centrifugal clutches don't really engage until i hit about 20 mph. Another good thing is, i didn't really need low range for steep hills, but im sure i'll be using low in the mud still. I'll be updating every now and then as things show up.

Andy


    Man that's some great info! Although, I'm kinda fond of topend!  Gotta keep that to outrun my buds XT! Ha! Ha! Later....Brandon

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My new ride= 08 750 King Quad Belt snorked, VDI, M109R injector, EPI yellow spring, 18 gram weights, 2mm shim mod(Coop 45 mod) Twin Air & Yoshi=WOW!
4 a single, she hauls!!

"STOLEN"--- 07 700 Camo King Yoshi Pipe, PC3, UNI
filter, 27" Swamp Fox Plus, ATV Audiopipe, with the Bazookas(I love this thing)& **** 2500XT W/syn rope 05 500 Foreman 26"589 M+S 0n black C-4's, HMF Utility series, with jet, & UNI filter, boot guards& kimpex b

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/30/2008 8:34:40 AM   
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   Man that's some great info! Although, I'm kinda fond of topend!  Gotta keep that to outrun my buds XT! Ha! Ha! Later....Brandon






Well Brandon, i had my 5 year old son with me on the ride so i couldn't see what they do for the top end but i would be willing to bet that it didn't lose any (you will lose about 5 mph on the shim mod). The rollers are a lot lighter but that just means it that it takes longer for them to slide outward, but they should be heavy enough to slide all the way and go into the higher "gear".

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/30/2008 4:09:10 PM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/30/2008 4:27:43 PM   
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The rollers are #17, they go in between part #2 and part #12

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/30/2008 4:34:26 PM   
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Heres a picture of my outer sheave, thats where the rollers go.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/30/2008 8:37:26 PM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/31/2008 5:31:15 AM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/31/2008 6:50:47 PM   
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The rollers are a lot lighter but that just means it that it takes longer for them to slide outward, but they should be heavy enough to slide all the way and go into the higher "gear".

Andy


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Thanks for the update. Have you had the machine out to confirm that the weights function properly up to top speed? They very well could, as I dont remember the source of the info I posted above.

Also, seeing as I did start this post, I'll throw it out on the table here. Its a shame for the people reading this post for its original technical info (and also for the excellent added material w/ pictures), but for those that seem to be running around this forum taking shots at me and giggling, consider this:

#1- At least have the decency of not doing it in a post I made to help others with no personal gain. Thats disrespect with a capitol D.

#2- "Honest", as some here call it, is related to telling the truth. Other than feelings I have in regards to Suzuki's intentions of releasing the King Quad, I publically stand behind things I've said as truth, not opinion. Searches will overwhelmingly support that. Like it or not, thats "honest", and not serving misjustice when a question is asked. "Honest" isnt always what a person wants to hear.

#3- Everyone is guilty (myself included) of forgetting bits and pieces of something that gets read. What does differ is when people only remember certain pieces because its not what they want to hear, and forget about the parts they agree with. Its up to everyone here to fully read and understand what is typed, then either research further or make an educated decision on the info provided. For those that dont like the info I put forth, we can agree to disagree. For those that dont know if they like the info I put forth, PLEASE research further than this forum and make the decision you asked for help with in the first place.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/31/2008 7:09:30 PM   
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Full mod,

Thanks for the update. Have you had the machine out to confirm that the weights function properly up to top speed? They very well could, as I dont remember the source of the info I posted above.

Also, seeing as I did start this post, I'll throw it out on the table here. Its a shame for the people reading this post for its original technical info (and also for the excellent added material w/ pictures), but for those that seem to be running around this forum taking shots at me and giggling, consider this:

#1- At least have the decency of not doing it in a post I made to help others with no personal gain. Thats disrespect with a capitol D.

#2- "Honest", as some here call it, is related to telling the truth. Other than feelings I have in regards to Suzuki's intentions of releasing the King Quad, I publically stand behind things I've said as truth, not opinion. Searches will overwhelmingly support that. Like it or not, thats "honest", and not serving misjustice when a question is asked. "Honest" isnt always what a person wants to hear.

#3- Everyone is guilty (myself included) of forgetting bits and pieces of something that gets read. What does differ is when people only remember certain pieces because its not what they want to hear, and forget about the parts they agree with. Its up to everyone here to fully read and understand what is typed, then either research further or make an educated decision on the info provided. For those that dont like the info I put forth, we can agree to disagree. For those that dont know if they like the info I put forth, PLEASE research further than this forum and make the decision you asked for help with in the first place.

My apologies to the tech folks checking out this thread.



I haven't had a chance to test top end yet, i had to redo my snorkel. I will definitly update when i do though.

I hate the fact that people are giggling at you MY FYN 79. I do have an idea though, why don't you start a new thread entitled "Flaws of the Suzuki King Quad", then, if people want to hear you complain about it, they can go to the thread and read it there, otherwise we all can use the forum freely and post whatever we want.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 3/31/2008 9:39:12 PM   
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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 4/1/2008 9:43:40 AM   
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I look forward to hearing the update.

As far as the other thing, point taken. However, looking back at my posts I'm sure people will notice a trend that I generally give information when other people ask about the flaws (or lack of) on a King Quad. Starting my own post of that nature is what should offend people, and thats not something I'm interested in doing.

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 4/3/2008 9:18:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, here is the update, it seems to pull real hard up to 20 mph then the rollers begin to slide, my new top end is about 60, i did lose top end but you can tell that the rollers are functioning properly. I lost about (with stock tires and no CVT mods 74) 8 MPH with the shim mod. and 6 MPH on the 14 gram rollers, im going to go ride it tommorow night and i'll give an update on how it did in the mud, i'm sure it is going to do well, it definitly feels good at WOT from a dead stop. 

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RE: Drilling King Quad clutch roller weight FYI - 4/4/2008 5:06:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		     full mod. king quad That sounds good, but too much of a top-end loss for me!  I need that to keep up with the Can-Ams!  So, I guess I'll take this off the