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BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 8/31/2008 10:32:46 PM

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what is the best octane booster? im wantin to run it in the kodiak and want to get some good stuff.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 8/31/2008 10:39:09 PM

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I've put the STP in the oarange bottle in my truck a couple of times but never the wheeler

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 8/31/2008 11:08:57 PM

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none of them work.seen a mag were they tested them none of them gained any power.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/1/2008 6:43:24 AM

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The only one that works is just buy high octane gas. Stay away from those "miracle" in a bottle jokes.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/1/2008 8:14:43 AM

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ok thanks guys. ive started runnin premium in it and that seems to lhave helped some.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/1/2008 8:25:15 AM

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The only way to get HP from gas is to use race fuel. Using 93 will only burn a little cleaner and help the "knocking" caused by substandard fuels. The octane topic has been ehausted many times. There are a few threads out there with really good info. Anything Jakes450s has posted in has alot of good stuff to read.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/1/2008 9:45:47 AM

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There is no "good octane booster". You can have a tank full of it, and still will get more octane in the end mix by using higher octane rated fuel from the pump.

What has the high octane fuel from the pump helped? Are you SURE that "super unleaded" burns cleaner in your engine? You might be surprised...

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/5/2008 6:36:50 AM

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octane booster will only work if you have high compression , the higher the number the less volital the fuel is, the idea then is you can get more fuel in and compress it harder with out predetonation

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/5/2008 7:58:41 AM

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ive been dragracing cars for the past 16yrs, my eng has 16-1 compression and will only run good with either cam2 112 octane or vp c-117.
as far as quads go very few require any octane greater than 89 due to the compression ratio.
now if the quad was 11-1 compression then you may benifit from 93-100 octane fuel if not your just wasting your money because it will not burn efficent.
the gas law is the higher the octane the higher the flash point and the slower it burns.
so if you have an enginge thats 9-1 compression and you add 93 or higher octane you will actually lose power due to you wont have the compression or the btu,s to burn it efficienty, it will end up blowing some raw fuel out the tail pipe and at the same time the eng will run cooler as well due to it cannot burn all the fuel which ends up cooling down the eng.
as far as octane boosters go its garbage and all that it does is coat the porclin on the plug.
now if you want an additive to gain horsepower, you can buy powermist nitro propane it has menthanol and nitro along with an oxygenic in the blend.
1 quart to five gallons and you have to go up a min of 3 jet sizes.
in an auto on the dragstrip it has gained me 2 tenths in the quarter mile.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/6/2008 11:41:48 AM

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ive also heard the if you put just a little laquer thinner in your gas tank it will run better, i tried it on mine and i think it worked a little but not by much

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/6/2008 7:20:28 PM

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ive also heard the if you put just a little laquer thinner in your gas tank it will run better, i tried it on mine and i think it worked a little but not by much

That cant be good...

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/6/2008 7:26:14 PM

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I wonder if you can ad hobby fuel that you use in nitro cars?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/7/2008 6:28:59 PM

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I would not use "hobby fuel" unless you know you can burn nitromethane, hobby fuel is also intented for 2 cycle engines so you have oil and alcohol in it as well. I would hazard to guess you would end up running too lean as well, due to the extra O2 that is in the type of fuel

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/7/2008 8:01:28 PM

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hobby fuel is also intented for 2 cycle engines so you have oil and alcohol in it as well.

What is the difference between a two cycle fuel and a four cycle fuel? How does oil or alcohol preclude it from two or four stroke use? For that matter, is there a difference between spark ignition fuel and compression ignition fuel?

(And no, I wouldn't recommend, endorse, or condone using hobby fuel in an ATV. Look for spark knock and hard starts with a cold engine and a net loss in horsepower.)

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/9/2008 8:45:10 PM

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there is a big role in all mentioned above, as far as alcohol goes you would have to double in jet size and probably your fuel tank as well.
compression comes into role as well as ignition timing and timing curve along with total timing.
model fuel fuel consists of methanol alcahol,nitro methane and caster oil and or some of them use synthetics.
dont run that in your atv or you will ruin the eng within no time.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/11/2008 10:36:02 AM

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Buy some toulene and mix it with 93 octane fuel! Depending on the mixture you can get up to 114 if Im not mistaken. Do a google search for homebrew octane boosters it will come up.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/11/2008 9:32:22 PM

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would not the toulene be hard on all the plastic and rubber parts of the fuel system? i have played with toulene, it's a harsh solvent. as for the difference in 2 stroke and 4 stroke fuel, that's dependent on your engines needs. A 2 stroke needs oil with the fuel. my jet ski has an oil injection system so i can use normal fuel, other wise i would need to premix oil into the fuel. alcohol and niro methane are used in 4 stroke engines but thouse engines are set up to use that fuel, the oil in model fuel is for the 2 stroke versions. you could probly make a quad run off of E85, thats mostly alcohol but the jetting would deffently need to be changed

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/11/2008 11:15:35 PM

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A question.... What if you just get 93 pump fuel, and add like some c12? Maybe a 4to1 ratio. 4 part 93 and 1 part c12. This soul be simple to do in a 5 gal gas can ?? I am just wondering.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/11/2008 11:34:14 PM

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The toulene is in fact hard on the rubber ect.. I think in the mix that i found online they suggested adding either some Marvel or some 2stroke oil cant recall

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 4:14:05 PM

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A 2 stroke needs oil with the fuel. my jet ski has an oil injection system so i can use normal fuel, other wise i would need to premix oil into the fuel.

Your jet ski needs oil with the fuel, but why is that? So does my weed wacker. But does that mean that ALL two stroke engines need oil mixed with the fuel?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 5:19:53 PM

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If your not running a loop-scavange type 2-cycle would you really need the fuel/oil mix?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 6:17:16 PM

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It's nothing to do with the loop-scavenge. I havn't even heard that term in probably fifteen years. If that doesn't come to anybody right away, it's a combustion chamber design with multiple intake ports designed in such a way as to cause the swirling intake mix to swirl away from the exhaust port so that a maximum amount of exhaust gas is displaced and a minimal amount of fresh air/fuel charge is lost before the exhaust port is covered. It's an upgrade to the cross flow scavenged type that had all the cool raised bump designs on top of the piston to induce the swirl, and used much more crude intake and exhaust ports. The benefit of the loop-scavenge design is that it works better in keeping the fresh charge separate from the spent gasses, and does not require the cylinder head to be "mutilated" to accept the bump on the piston and still keep a reasonable compression ratio, which in turn allows the engine to recieve a much "cleaner" fuel/air charge, and further be much more efficient at converting that fuel/air charge into horsepower.
The use of oil actually does does have a little to do with the piston, but not the top of it, and not anything you'd ever notice at all by laying similarly sized pistons next to each other. Another question: What's the average oil change interval your your average chain saw?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 7:39:28 PM

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 7:51:20 PM

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Ever put diesel fuel in it?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 11:17:37 PM

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as for the difference in 2 stroke and 4 stroke fuel, that's dependent on your engines needs. A 2 stroke needs oil with the fuel. my jet ski has an oil injection system so i can use normal fuel, other wise i would need to premix oil into the fuel.

You are correct that 2-strokes require oil mixed with the fuel to operate. BUT...the fuel is still the same. There is no difference between 2 stroke gasoline or 4 stroke gasoline. It all comes from the same pump. The only difference is that one takes oil in the fuel for lubrication.
It is also correct that NOT ALL 2-strokes require oil in the fuel....they are rare, but they are out there.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/12/2008 11:29:44 PM

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I really don't see how Toulene can increase octane in fuel. It is an industrial cleaner, and a good cancer causing one at that.....and I don't believe for one minute that it can increase octane on gasoline.

I haven't seen a octane booster work yet........they are simply a gimmick and it has proven they don't work.
If you NEED higher octane fuel for your ride, then simply buy higher octane fuel.

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/13/2008 6:56:28 AM

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...The only difference is that one takes oil in the fuel for lubrication...
...It is also correct that NOT ALL 2-strokes require oil in the fuel...

That's almost what I'm looking for...

But does anybody know WHY some two strokes require oil in the fuel for lubrication, and some don't? What the basic difference in construction is?
They're not that rare BTW, the two strokes that don't take an oil/gasoline mix. Just not as common as four strokes, and pretty much unheard of in tiny engines like power sports or powered lawn and garden equipment. Gasoline powered non-oil burning two stroke engines were were a lot more popular in Europe, It wasn't that long ago that two strokes without mixed fuel were quite common to see on the highways in the US. Some of them are sitl out there and working daily, in good enough shape to pass smog checks.

Another question-
What is the energy content in a gallon of gasoline?
What is the energy content in a gallon of two stroke oil?
What is the energy content in a gallon of regular engine oil?
What is the energy content in a gallon of diesel fuel?
What is the energy content in a gallon of octane boost shmutz?
What is the energy content in a gallon of nitromethane?
What is the energy content in a gallon of methanol?
What is the energy content in a gallon of ethanol?
What is the energy content in a gallon of Toluene?

Why do we choose the fuels that we choose? Why do we not put higher energy fuels into engines designed for lower energy fuels? Why is it that when we KNOW that a gasoline engine won't run on diesel, yet diesel fuel has more energy in each gallon, do we not try various proportions of diesel fuel as an addative? Yet when somebody throws out chemical like Toluene that most of us have never seen in a can large enough to accidentally fuel an engine with the wrong fuel, we all jump on the bandwagon and everybody and their brother has to try it and most of them swear that they saw improvement? Many of you all demand the best lubrication that money can buy, even if it's overkill, in the name of top priced and often special ordered synthetic lubricants. Has anybody tried mixing engine oil with their gasoline for extra lubrication? Or two stroke oil? Or diesel fuel?

BTW, before you go burning toluene in anything, you should investigate it a little. (By that name or by "methylbenzene")

OK, the previous was really asked of everybody reading this, this one is more specific for Dezz.

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I really don't see how Toulene can increase octane in fuel. It is an industrial cleaner, and a good cancer causing one at that.....and I don't believe for one minute that it can increase octane on gasoline.

I haven't seen a octane booster work yet........they are simply a gimmick and it has proven they don't work.
If you NEED higher octane fuel for your ride, then simply buy higher octane fuel.

I believe that tolulene can increase octane. Mostly because it's a blending agent that they use to adjust the octane rating of the gasoline that you buy. You are right about that application, as well as the serious health risks, and one should truely know what this chemical is about before they try to guess how much they can burn in a tank of fuel and how to handle the raw materials. You'll be dying of cancer and your kids will be lucky if they only suffer that same fate... This stuff really isn't a joke.

Anyway, my question to you: What does the octane rating mean? What does that change about your fuel? What does that do to your engine? What change in performance would you look for to know if an octane booster "worked" or not?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/13/2008 7:26:15 AM

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Another thought on the subject. A question for everybody...

Why do you not simply add octane to your fuel tank when you are seeking to increase the octane rating of your fuel?

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/13/2008 7:58:03 AM

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forgot about the two stroke diesel

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RE: BEST OCTANE BOOSTER????? - 9/13/2008 9:21:10 AM

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Anyway, my question to you: What does the octane rating mean? What does that change about your fuel? What does that do to your engine? What change in performance would you look for to know if an octane booster "worked" or not?
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1. Octane rating in fuel is the measurement of the fuel ability to prevnet self-ignition.
Fuel can be pre-ignited by many things.....most common though is high compression and/or hot engine deposits. Manufacturers and designers spend millions in R&D to design an engine without hot spots in the combustion chamber for pre-ignition, as well as in the engine crankcase/oil passage design to prevent oil from being (for lack of a better word) "baked" inside engine, do to hot spots.
2. It really doesn't "change" the fuel, so to say, but rather raises its ability to resist pre-ignition. Done through adding alcohols.
The chemical make-up pf the fuel remains the same.....but the mixing ratios change.....(atleast thats what I remember....

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3. What is does to your engine has alot to do with the engine itself also. Higher octane fuel in a low compression engine will do nothing more than burn hotter. Running low octane fuel in a High compression engine can have destroying effects on the engine. When pre-ignition happens, you get vibrations within the engine from extreme/fast building pressures in the cylinders. The vibrations are more commonly known as "Ping".
4. The only reason to add octane booster would be to prevent ping. Thus, the change you would look for when adding octane booster to see if it worked or not is to listen for the engine ping. If the ping goes away, then you know it worked and raised the octane level of the fuel.

Thats what I know anyway.......

I had forgotten about the long name for Toulene as well. I had never even thought about it being used on other applications in fuel.
I have it at work for a cleaner and Deice Boot Glue activator. I hate using it and I use every bit of safety equipment my company offers me. It is just deadly stuff, and I know you know this. I am just amking sure that other people realize how bad this stuff it for your health.
I also have to use something else that you might be aware of, called MEK (MethlEthlyKetone). This stuff is cancer in a bottle. It was banned in Canada for 10 years straight, then was allowed back in for some reason. Albeit with massive safety regulations, that of course, get overlooked here in the atlantic provinces. I refuse to use this stuff. Unless the company follows ALL the safety recommendations/regulations made by WHMIS and the MSDS, then I refuse to use. I just really want to make sure people realize how dangerous and toxic this stuff is. It WILL kill you. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but cancer don't care who or what you are.

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