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Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 8:59:19 AM

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Man, this has always been a great bike, but the last two trips haven't been the best. This weekend it drowned out, and had lots of water in the head and airbox. Since cleaning both out, I can't get it to run. I have changed the spark plug, cleaned the airbox well, and made sure my new map sensor is still in perfect condition. Yet, it won't start.

1. When i try to start it just turns over and over but never starts.

2. I push the spark plug hose over the spark plug and push down as far as I can... Yet, each time i start it, it seems to move a little off it and come up a little.. Yet, i know this isn't the cause, cause i held it down while trying to start and still not luck. I know somethings wrong, but it isn't the main issue.

3. If i hold it half throttle is makes a sound like its turning over and about to start, yet it NEVER does. If i do it for awhile, I see a little white smoke come out of the airbox snorkle.

4. Battery is fully charged.

5. Yes it has gas.

So with all that said, anyone have some ideas to try? I want to get it running before the weekend, cause we have all that mud now, and i don't wanna miss out on one of the best rides ever

Thanks
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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 9:06:37 AM

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allmost sounds like you might of lost your compression..? might try the oil in the cylinder trick and see if that wil help get it going.

Gas is good..? no water in it..?

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 3:11:33 PM

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thanks GWC.. Im gonna try that this evening.

Any other suggestions before i head over to storage this evening?

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 5:14:07 PM

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You did check to make sure it stil has spark right?

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 5:16:12 PM

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lol ya

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 5:18:51 PM

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Water on hot rings can kill them. Does sound like compression loss to me.

BTW, except for it already running good before, it sounds like the timing is 180 degrees out, but I know it already was running fine before the water.

Do a compression check, and check your spark!

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 5:23:43 PM

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I just read your post again... When you cleaned the head, did you take it apart? If you did, then your timing is most likey 180 degrees out. That what it sounds like to me!

If it is your timing, you must be on the compression stroke when you put it on TDC, and then make sure your timing marks line up in each place.

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 5:32:09 PM

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no, i didn't take it apart. Just took spark plug out and turned over to blow out water.

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 5:34:54 PM

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Ouch white smoke. Def need to do a compression test I think you may have cracked a valve or done something to your rings. Do you have a compression tester?

If it is shooting smoke out of the intake, maybe a valve.

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 7:52:20 PM

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when u r trying to start it have some one yank on the pull rope over and over alot to help it sounds crazy but try it it worked fore me i ran my bat down and a friend told me that it cranked in 1 min might help !

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/6/2008 11:15:24 PM

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I just had the same problem with my 700. I ended up having to have a new piston and rings put in and have the cylinder honed (not sure if that is spelled right). Picked it up from the dealer on a monday evening, it quit running that night and it was back in the shop on tuesday morning. Mechanic said that maybe there was some more trash in the bottom end and might have done the same damage again. Turns out that a valve keeper had stuck and left the exhaust valve open therefore not giving any compression. He got it all back together yesterday and I went by today and it runs like a champ. Sorry for the long post but just trying to give you some reference points.

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 12:53:13 AM

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...could also have water in the gas or a fuel pump/injector failure. Look in the "helpful links" stick and pull your error cods to know for sure...

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 5:24:38 AM

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You'd need a pod for error codes right?

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 7:53:47 AM

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yeah, yeah, yeah I forgot.

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 8:16:50 AM

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You'd need a pod for error codes right?

LOL thats funny, i take it his 700 has no gauge pod..

anyway did you get it to fire off yet..?

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 8:33:15 AM

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I havent had a pod on it for probably 4 months.... Less electronics to go. I have a new one i could put in though and check the error codes. I hadn't even thought of that yet engie, thanks.

I got side tracked last night and ended up watching pineapple express instead of working on the 700.

I will have an update this weekend for sure..

thanks guys.
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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 8:34:27 AM

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 8:38:13 AM

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I haven't laughed that hard in a few months.. It is definately worth seeing, but don't go if you don't have a good sense of humor. Most of the humor was related to weed/pot... and it has as many curse words as superbad. So if you don't care for that kind of comedy, i would skip it

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 10:19:10 AM

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Just an update.. Mudracer/CHRIS is taking the 700 back to his house tonight to see what he can do. My bike will be in my prayers

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 10:46:22 AM

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quote:

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Just an update.. Mudracer/CHRIS is taking the 700 back to his house tonight to see what he can do. My bike will be in my prayers

i have seen pix of his bike all tore apart in his front yard, is thats what going to happen to you 700..LOL

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 11:12:09 AM

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lol, hopefully not. Thats part of my prayers, lol

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 11:42:56 AM

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 11:54:43 AM

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I'd test the compression first. That should be pretty simple. Pull the pullcord(or remove the sidecover and manually turn the crank. Compression will be easy to feel...

I have a feeling it's going to be in the FI sensors, or watered down gas. When you get into diagnosing those, get back with me. I can get the voltage/current specs for all the sensors if you start manually testing them. It sure would be easy if you had a pod hooked up

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/7/2008 12:10:15 PM

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Im handing chris the pod when i meet him

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/20/2008 9:44:52 AM

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Live_2_Ride

Did your arctic cat 700 got fixed. I have the same problem with mine and am going crazy..
it won't start because of the drowned out this past weekend

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/20/2008 9:48:19 AM

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Yep. Chris flushed the oil and gas and put seafoam in the cylinder and let it soak, and then it fired up and rung good.

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RE: Arctic Cat 700EFI Help Again - 8/20/2008 10:00:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GWC

quote:

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Just an update.. Mudracer/CHRIS is taking the 700 back to his house tonight to see what he can do. My bike will be in my prayers

i have seen pix of his bike all tore apart in his front yard, is thats what going to happen to you 700..LOL

All the important stuff goes into my inclosed trailer to be worked on

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Yep it fired right up after changing the oil and dowsing the cylinder with some sea foam.... I'm guessing it had a stuck ring.... I'm just happy that it was a simple fix. I always try and do the simple things first and then move into tearing crap aprart in my yard stages.

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