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Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/25/2008 9:00:48 PM

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/25/2008 9:03:17 PM

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I would not buy them, just buy a few stock axles for spares to carry with you. keep a eye on e-bay they are cheap on there i bought one for $35 bucks shipped.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/25/2008 9:09:38 PM

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is this the smae guy, if so i would for sure not buy them..

http://www.highlifter.com/forum/CV_MaN_Axles_WTF!!!!/m_2862576/tm.htm

http://www.highlifter.com/forum/m_2479124/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2883267

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/25/2008 10:04:12 PM

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thank, great info & warning. sucks grizz had to go thru all that.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/26/2008 1:24:13 AM

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is this the smae guy, if so i would for sure not buy them..

http://www.highlifter.com/forum/CV_MaN_Axles_WTF!!!!/m_2862576/tm.htm

No doubt, that's a way to round up alot of business, huh?

I agree GWC Brandon

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 9:23:00 AM

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Hey Guys! This is unfair. We offer great quality products well below the cost of o.e.. We sell thousands of these without any problems (read my Ebay feedbacks and I think you'll see what I mean). We do specify up front that these parts are not meant to be used on lifted vehicles! Yet, as I read over the responses to this post most of the vehicles listed have at least a 2" lift (spacers count as lifted). Including the guy who's complaining! Please don't let a few bad apples spoil it for the whole bunch. You can buy from us with confidence and know that we're not new at this and we would have been doing it this long if what this guy is saying were the case. I have been in the cv axle business for over 16 years and have saved many ATV riders big money on every sale. The problem is this, when you lift the bike several things can happen:

You increase the distance between the differential and the wheel hub: The inner cv joint in most cases is made to move in and out only about 3/4" as the suspension goes up and down. When you increase the distance you bring the ball, cage & race further out in the inner cv joint housing. This will cause them to hit against the "c" clip that is there to keep the joint from coming apart during shipping or while installation or removal. THIS WILL CAUSE SOMETHING TO GIVE!
You increase the angle of operation:

a)This will cause the shaft to rub against the rim of the inner cv joint. You'll know this has happened when you hear the clicking as it passes each of the six ball tracks. Or if you remove the joint you'll see that the shaft will have scaring where the joint had been rubbing. This will also show signs on the rim of the inner joint and in most cases will literally crimp the clip into the grove that it rest in and you'll have to chisel it out to remove the inner joint from the shaft. (this is why we ask that you send the inner cv joint back when making a warranty claim)

b) When the a-arm drops down (i.e. while the bike leaves the ground). The inner cage is cocked at a very steep angle. Then when hit the ground with a hard force the ball, cage and race need to slide back into the inner cv joint cup. However, with the cage (the part that has 6 windows that the balls ride in) is at this extreme angle it will cause the joint to bind. Then when the shaft comes in it's equivalent to breaking a twig over your knee.

As for the shaft materials. We use top grade 4140 steel on all of the atv axle bars and 4340 chrome molly steel where we've encountered breakage issues with the o.e. bars. The picture listed shows in great detail the case hardening of the metal is well beyond the .0065 Rockwell hardening the is the o.e. spec for the shafts. The soft looking material in the center is normal for cold formed steel. I have Metallurgical reports if any one would like debate this. I feel we do an outstanding job of delivery the quality products that we distribute and our return policy is very reasonable considering that most parts sold for off road and high performance use offer no warranty at all. So any one having doubt as to our company or our products and service should certainly dig deeper than a web site devoted to people with lifted vehicles for references. If you have any questions or concerns you can always call me personally at CONTACT INFORMATION IS NOT ALLOWED I look forward to hearing from you.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 9:32:50 AM

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 9:46:57 AM

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Spacers do not count as a lift. as they do not "LIFT" a atv up beyond the stock limits.

also looked like most of the axles that where broke (in the other thread) where the axle bars that had broke twisted right into not so much the cage or race. I fully understand you saying they wont be covered if you have a lift and saying this right up front, but there have been a few that have had theirs break with only a few miles on them and no lift installed.

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So any one having doubt as to our company or our products and service should certainly dig deeper than a web site devoted to people with lifted vehicles for references

On this site you get real world testing info IMOP on how they hold up, yes some guys had a lift but some did not. if your axles wont hold up under a 2" lift this is info "we" need to know as well , as like you said alot of guys want to run a 2" lift on there quads
where else are we going to get good info on a product for how we are going to use it without buying it first..??

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 9:52:22 AM

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others can manufacture axles to hold up, why aren't yours?

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 10:06:44 AM

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I agree a friend of mine bought some. They broke the first ride on his 700EFI they told him it was his 28" mudzillas that caused them to break. I have been running 29.5x12's outlaws with stock axles for 2 years so how would mudzilas cause them to fail.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 10:35:12 AM

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Come to think of it, anybody I've talked to that bought "OEM Replacement axles", that were not OEM, broke on the first ride.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 12:31:07 PM

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I'm not sure how you can add spacers to give the bike more lift and then state that it doesn't lift? Please explain, then why would you add spacers? Also you must understand that when you aggressive tires you increase the gripping power of the tire. So when the wheel leaves the ground while still getting on the accelerator the wheel doubles in speed very quickly. Then when it lands it send a tremendous jolt up the shaft. I know for a fact that the o.e. axles are breaking on these applications since I'm often the one that gets the call for the replacements. I guess since we save everyone so much money over the cost of an original axle (generally $350-$450) depending on the model. I will add that we have more people singing our praises than bashing our products so I feel like we must be doing something right

. We'll continue to do what we do best, but we are always looking for new ways to improve on all that we do. I think that's the best way to go at it.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 12:39:52 PM

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You have stated that your axles are not designed for bikes with lifts on them. Well, if you are looking for ways to improve what you do, then I suggest you design an axle that can be run on a bike with a lift.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 12:40:05 PM

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I would not buy them, just buy a few stock axles for spares to carry with you. keep a eye on e-bay they are cheap on there i bought one for $35 bucks shipped.

Also, when you check on Ebay, spell 'ARCTIC' as 'ARTIC'. Seems like a lot of stuff gets posted under it spelled the wrong way.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 12:42:41 PM

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All spring spacers do is top out the stock shocks, the only way to increase lift is to move the shock location to increase the distance from the bottom to top. plain and simple spring spacers do not increase lift just takes out the sag from the soft stock springs and keep the bike "toped" out.

Yes i do aggree the big massive tires most on here have are harder on axles no question. My stock alxes have been holding up fine under my AC even with a 2" lift and spring spacers but i do know that one day i wil break one and have to replace it.
So long a person understands if they have a lift or oversized tires that they wont be covered under warrenty then really if they put in on anything but a stock quad its at there own risk. and i agree its not your problem.but spring spacers are not a lift though.

good luck to you sounds like most people are happy with your product and thats allways good.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 12:57:46 PM

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Danny is a good guy, but his products aren't so much.

I ordered a CV rebuild kit from him, installed it, and the next ride it broke. I tried to get it Warrantied by him, but he told me they don't do Warranties on rebuild kits since they don't know the condition of the outer CV cup when it was installed. As a mechanic (and a Warranty Technician), I found his point to be valid and decided to order 2 half-shaft kits. The very next ride after installing the new half-shaft, the outer CV cups' inner cage shattered. I told him and he asked for me to return the entire axle (the inner CV joint was the OEM, mind you) and he would take a look at it and let me know. I offered to return BOTH half-shaft kits that I purchased for a full refund of my money, but that offer wasn't an option.

A week went by and my OEM inner joint shows up at my place with a rebuilt half-shaft installed. On the invoice it stated that they found wear on the outer CV cup that indicated that I was running a lift kit and that this is the last time this would be considered under Warranty.

Well that's all fine and dandy except that I do NOT have a lift kit, not even a 2".

Again, I found him to be a good guy, but his products need some overhauling before I would consider using them again outside of my Warranty.

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all i cant say is i will take him for his word, 26"589s and no lift, and no more warrenty...?

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 1:19:23 PM

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I'm not going to debate you case since I'm not sure who you are what the circumstances where. However looking at your pictures: http://www.highlifter.com/forum/photo.aspx?photoid=4860&asortType=6&apage=9# I would guess this is far from stock height on that bike. As for the rebuild kits I could tell you hundreds of stories about cv joint rebuilding errors I've encountered over my many years in this business. But I won't bore you with the details. The fact is that some people try to be penny wise and dollars stupid. I found that a large number of people tend to read my instructions after they have a problem. More often than not this turns out to be the problem. We can't be there to make sure that clips are seated properly and that cages are not installed up side down (this is a factor on the inner cv joints and some outers). Or that the boots are put on with out crimping the boot clamps or even using plastic tie straps (not a good idea). But I will say that we offer outstanding products and technical assistance over the phone and we do our very best to offer this to anyone with the simplest of questions. If in doubt try it out.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 1:40:19 PM

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lol yeah thats a 3" lift on my 05 500m, your right far from stock. but i never claimed that it was stock, neither of my quads are.

Iam sure you have seen and heard alot of crap from people for sure no question there. and iam sure plenty of people try to scam you for free axles but not everyone does that most people are good when it comes down to it.

And iam really not trying to bash you, was just saying there where a few people on here that have not had good luck with your axles. the man in this post has a quad like the rest of "US" on here (not stock) so i was pointing out he might not want to use your axles with big tires and or a lift. got to buy the right product for how your going to use it.

my only concern is how can you tell that it has a lift or not, because Mud_Dog450 has not lift on his and just one size bigger tires (26s) and you told him he did have a lift and would no longer warrenty his axle..?

this alone would worry me when buying a axle even if my quad was bone stock because i might get told i had a lift when i do not and i wont be getting covered anymore..

As for who i am, Iam nobody really just a guy that has read a few post and was trying to help a fellow atv riding out. trust me Iam nobody important.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 1:45:35 PM

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you betta recognize!!! GWC is da MAN!!

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 1:47:57 PM

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And what OEM axles cost 350-450 bucks? That's what a Groinrilla cost.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 1:53:58 PM

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if iamthecvman considers spring spacers as a "lift" then is it a lift if i change out my springs for stiffer ones as it does the same thing a spring spacer does (stiffen the shock). i mean there is no way to add lift if you don't move the shock mount down. all it does is regain what is lost from a sagging shock. let's be clear about this. if anything seems like bashing on here it is just someone trying to save his atv bretheren from making the same mistake he did. be it buying the wrong axle for the job or the wrong company.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 2:14:19 PM

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iamthecvman Do you have any plans to introduce heavy duty repalcement axels instead of just o.e. repalcement axles??? It seems like that would be a good avenue for you to get into with your knowledge and years of experience. If you do, keep us informed.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 2:18:49 PM

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iamthecvman Do you have any plans to introduce heavy duty repalcement axels instead of just o.e. repalcement axles??? It seems like that would be a good avenue for you to get into with your knowledge and years of experience. If you do, keep us informed.

It's a growing market.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 9:38:45 PM

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We're working on giving Groinrilla a run for their money. With better product and certainly better customer service

Please keep watch. We won't do it until it's done right. But once it is everyone will know about it!

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/27/2008 11:01:40 PM

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Just for the record, I have purchased several CV rebuild kits from him and have never had a problem. Never bought an entire axle though. Just wanted to point that out.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/28/2008 8:11:47 AM

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i bought a half shaft from thecvman a few months back....i havent done a whole lot of riding since, but i havent had any problems yet.

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/28/2008 12:02:13 PM

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Hey Guys,
Thanks for backing me up on this. I hope everyone understands that in business, you can please some of the people some of time but it's impossible to please all of the people all of the time. But we do try our very best to give all of our customers. Thank you! Danny

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RE: Anybody ever heard of these? - 8/28/2008 7:34:10 PM

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We bought New joints from cvman for my girls 04 650 AC and have had nothing but luck with them. Theres always going to be someone thats unhappy with a product no matter what.

It's consistancy that will build a brand. There's plenty of people on here who break or tear up this or that along with dozens of others with no problems from the same product.

This is just another case of that same situation.

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