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ATV flotation device? - 8/20/2008 8:20:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has anybody ever heard of any type of flotation devices made specifically for ATVs?
I have seen countless number of 4-wheelers sunk (even snorkled) in water / mud that was MUCH deeper than expected. It seems to me like a simple boat bumper or some other kind of foam / fiberglass flotation device attached to the front rack might keep the atv from totally sinking and maybe even keep the snorkles out.

I remeber as a kid zip tying milk jugs to my BMX bike when I used to jump into the lake near my house.

hm....this idea might make me millions?
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/20/2008 8:22:35 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/20/2008 8:23:58 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/20/2008 8:45:02 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/20/2008 10:18:08 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 6:53:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup waterfreak already patented the idea. Search for waterfreak floats and he posted a bunch of pics and even a video of a lake crossing. Pretty hardcore!!

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 8:09:28 AM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 8:34:18 AM   
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Status: online 		couldnt you just shot that foam stuff in the frame to keep it up?  isnt that is what are in those small row boats and canoes, i know back in the day that is what it was was chunks of foam, it wouldnt float on top of the water once u filled it up with water but it wouldnt sink down to the bottom, it had just enough to keep it at a reasonable depth, u might try that, or also may take some of those pool noodles with the hole in the middle and put that on some of your rack bars, you could prob put it cut pieces of it to fit every bar on ur racks im im sure that would give enough floatation to keep it from going down, in some situations when i had my tires pumped with air if i stepped off the bike it would float decently

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 8:39:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I knew a man once who took some foam blocks, and built a frame that was open on one end, he would drive his King quad into this frame then attach it to his bike with straps and it would flaot like a dang boat. He used to cross the Miss river with it.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 9:38:31 AM   
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...that foam stuff in the frame ....


It's not water proof "enough", it'll still get water into the frame, the frame will rot to nothing and break apart at the joints and stress points in a couple of years or less.

A basketball under the front is kind of effective.  Four would be better, but they don't fit.
If it's snorkled, an empty flat fuel pack on the front rack will help.  One on each rack will make it float on it's side with the snorkles under water.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 9:57:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, the devices in the above links are kinda impractible...
I was thinking more along the lines of a tube type device, like an audio pipe injected with the most flotable foam known to man. Just enough to keep the snorkles out of water so I can swim my machine back to solid land.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 10:14:35 AM   
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look about midpage its got a atv on there with pontoons on the side

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 10:34:22 AM   
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Status: online 		my girlfriends cousin built a small house boat type thing to turn into a party barge basically, well he got liek 8 foam blocks and like 8 drums, his last one was all drums and they shot holes in it and it sunk but this time around we used 8 foam blocks, after it was all said and done we found out we could take the drums to a place and they would inject the drums with the same stuff that they used to make the foam blocks, needless to say its kinda late to do that now unless we punch a hole in the side of it and let it dry then weld a piece of the hole we made, but im sure if u could find someone to pump it in you could pump ur frame full of that stuff and it would prob help to strengthen the frame as well

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 10:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah that is the same as the link I posted above... heck thts my link on that site too.... pretty cool idea, wonder why they stopped making them. 1400 for a boat with trailer that also floats your atv is cheap IMO.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/21/2008 12:40:52 PM   
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...I was thinking more along the lines of a tube type device, like an audio pipe injected with the most flotable foam known to man.



It wouldn't bother me a bit to see an audio pipe stop working, which it will if it's full of foam, but for floatation all you need to do is seal it up.  Foam doesn't float because it's foam, it floats because it's lighter than water.  Enclose that audiopipe so the water can't come in, it will float as well as it can.  Pumping in foam or pumping in air only makes it heavier, and thus less "float" from the same pipe.

Well, most of you can probably keep the audio pipe, it's just the ones that make it into a game to see how offensive they can be to prove their point that nobody can stop them that I'd like to fill with foam...

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/22/2008 1:00:54 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/22/2008 3:37:37 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/22/2008 10:40:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Take your pvc large pipe idea or something equal, put a air chuck in it and seal it off. and put about 150 psi in it. Strap it as close to your snorkels as you can.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/22/2008 11:40:26 PM   
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Take your pvc large pipe idea or something equal, put a air chuck in it and seal it off. and put about 150 psi in it. Strap it as close to your snorkels as you can.


Increased air pressure would not help the flotation at all on a sealed off PVC pipe, it would actually lessen its floating ability technically. Tires float better with increased air because the rubber expands, which makes the tire displace more water therefore increasing its bouyancy. A PVC pipe if it survived being injected with 150psi would not increase in size at all, therefore its bouyancy would actually go down because air DOES have a weight.

Filling a barrel or any other object with foam would not increase its floating ability if that particular object was already sealed to where water could not enter it.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/29/2008 11:03:34 AM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/29/2008 11:20:36 AM   
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I like the rubber ball idea!


Cheap,,,, and they work,,,,,

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/29/2008 8:53:42 PM   
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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/29/2008 10:01:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well flotation devices don't always help...especially like on my brute where the gas tank is on the rear..it would still flip in the deep stuff

I'm working on something that could keep our motors dry though =] still in testing!!

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/29/2008 10:09:29 PM   
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i really could not beleive last time out i had mine floating , yeah a big fat heavy cat floating with 30" mudlites
i dont know if i would try to cross a big body of water but it was floating..lol

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/30/2008 12:37:28 PM   
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lets see some pics


Workin' on that for ya,,,,,,

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/30/2008 8:53:18 PM   
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...I was thinking more along the lines of a tube type device, like an audio pipe injected with the most flotable foam known to man.



It wouldn't bother me a bit to see an audio pipe stop working, which it will if it's full of foam, but for floatation all you need to do is seal it up.  Foam doesn't float because it's foam, it floats because it's lighter than water.  Enclose that audiopipe so the water can't come in, it will float as well as it can.  Pumping in foam or pumping in air only makes it heavier, and thus less "float" from the same pipe.

Well, most of you can probably keep the audio pipe, it's just the ones that make it into a game to see how offensive they can be to prove their point that nobody can stop them that I'd like to fill with foam...


"great stuff" (foam) wont stop it from working. mine is full of it so the amp doesnt bonce all around and it works fine. it is also the same stuff used in boats to make them float. my audio pipe flots and lifts my quad alitle bit. im sure if i hade more pipe full of stuff my quad would float. 
btw you dont have to get anyone to pump it into barrles or what ever you want it in. it come in cans by the gallon  and is a 2 part mixture.
http://www.nextag.com/foam-boat-flotation/search-html

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/30/2008 9:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		did some more reading on the 2 part foam. it say's " 2-Lb density foam will increase floatation" " 2 cu. ft. Net buoyancy: 100 Lbs"
doesnt seem to hard to acomplish. just fill 6" pvc with this and stap to your quad in as much spots as posable with out being in the way of anything and not looking stupid

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/31/2008 2:23:31 PM   
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"great stuff" (foam) wont stop it from working. mine is full of it so the amp doesnt bonce all around and it works fine.


Yeah, it doesn't really shut them up unless you overdo it.  If it's on the back of the speakers they can't move, then the whole thing goes silent.  As far as locking the amp in place, if it doesn't overheat the amp and if you don't overdo the foam, then I'd bet it's pretty effective.


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it is also the same stuff used in boats to make them float. my audio pipe flots and lifts my quad alitle bit. im sure if i hade more pipe full of stuff my quad would float.


foam works in boats because it displaces water in areas that otherwise could flood with water, and thereby have no bouyancy.  Foam inside of pipe with open ends will make it float.  Foam inside of capped pipes makes it heavier, it floats less.  The floatation is the difference between the weight of the sunken item, and the weight of the water that is displaced by the sunken item.  Foam is heavier than air, otherwise it'd float off into space, like a helium balloon, which is lighter than air, versus an air filled balloon which has a slightly pressurised amount of air in it, making it denser, so no floating.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/31/2008 8:34:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		its not weight its density. why does a log fall in the air but float in water? becouse its DENSITY  is less than the DENSITY of watter. a ballon with helime floats in air becouse the hileim density less then air. this is 6th grade stuff. you acouly think if you put a cap on the pipe or not that it wou;ld make a difrence your wrong.

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RE: ATV flotation device? - 8/31/2008 10:10:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		foam is the last thing that i would put on my bike. i wouldnt trust much to make my bike float. i ride just about every weekend in just about the water central of atving (crosby). and around here you look for stuff to make your bike heavyer so you can actuall (ride) in water instead of (floating) on top. if i was to make something to float on top i would build a platform to u-bolt to the bottom of my bike and put some water jugs on the side wider then my tires for balance. then it would be a real floating atv

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