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400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/25/2008 9:25:50 PM   
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bringing this over from arctic chat....

original thread:  http://www.arcticchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=91701

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just found out a few weeks ago that a guy one of my buds at work knows has an 07 400m. he lives about an hour and a half from here though, so this won't be an overnight thing. i've been talking with the guy for a couple of weeks and he decided to give this a try... so he ordered the part and sent it my way through my buddy at work last monday.

i've been poking and prodding at this part for a few days now trying to plan out how to modify it. but first i got some dimensions: the cam is 1 1/16" wide, the channel is 1/4" wide, the center of the channel is 5/16" from the outside of the cam (which mean the outter and inner walls of the channel are 3/16" and 7/16", respectively, from the outside of the shift cam), the total width of the channel with the little countersink (chamfered?) edges included is 5/16", and the channel depth is about 5/16' deep.... but don't worry about the channel depth so much, as long as you're not shallower than the stock channel in any dimension, and as long as you don't drill all the way through the part into the inside teeth, you should be fine since it's pretty thick and there's some room to play with. we'll probably end up modifying the end of the "knob" on the shift fork that rides in the shift cam channel just to make sure it'll ride smoothly in the newly cut channel. just a slight bit of grinding if needed to match the rounded profile left by the bit.

as said in the other thread, the metal is HARD, so a high speed steel (HSS) bit or a cobalt bit will be needed to drill this thing. i'm starting with a craftsman 1/4" cobalt bit since it's the toughest (but not the strongest, cobalt is brittle so be careful!). once we get the channel roughed out, then we'll go at it with a dremel and about a million stone wheels (might need diamond) to finish shaping up the channel and getting everything smooth. then it's time to cut some small pieces of scrap steel to mount in the edges of the old channel where it meets the new channel (in the transition area) and weld them in place so the shift fork stays in the newly cut channel. we'll be using a mig welder for this so we're hoping it turns out good. once the welding and surface finishing is done, we'll take her out for some testing. we'll probably use it for a few weeks or months and periodically take it out and inspect it to make sure everything is still wearing ok.

i don't have a camera so i went and borrowed my neighbor's camera phone for some pics... sorry about the quality. but if you look close enough you can see where i traced out the pattern for the new channel. it simply mirrors the old channel about the centerline (the scrap steel i mentioned above will be welded in the existing channel to section off the new channel from it).

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the guy that owns the 400m is driving by my place on saturday to drop off his camera so i can take pics. he's meeting up with some family for the weekend so he won't be staying to help... and i had some things come up this week that might fill up my whole weekend so i might not get started drilling until later.

anyway this is getting a bit longer than i thought... but bottom line, i'm shooting to have the cam done and installed in the bike within a month or two. then we'll just put a few hundred miles on it over the course of a couple of months to make sure it's gonna be problem free. i don't plan on making a business out of this, so i'm detailing everything so anyone can follow it. depending on how it goes i might make a few for some people who can't do the work themselves or don't have access to anyone who can... don't know yet so let's leave that until this thing is proven to work.

i should have some better pics this weekend stay tuned...

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here's the full size pics:




















if you can see the markings on the cam, then you'll see what i was talking about in the old threads... just mirror the stock channel about the centerline of the cam. you're basically fooling the subtrans into selecting high when you put the shifter into "L", low when you put it in "H", and when you shift into reverse it'll have the low range gears engaged so you'll have one heck of a reverse gear instead of wimpy high-range-reverse you get stock.

as said before, better pics should be up this weekend and we'll get plenty of pics along the way. and some videos later on too comparing the stock reverse with the "fixed" reverse.... errrhummm... the "LFM reverse mod"

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/25/2008 9:31:02 PM   
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That will sure help alot of people out if this works out good.

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/25/2008 9:32:28 PM   
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ok the full size pics aren't showing up for me, so here's my public folder for you to view them:  http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562106724TJqAWl

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/28/2008 10:54:16 AM   
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got an update... looks like everything will turn out ok 

original post for achat members:
http://www.arcticchat.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=91701&view=findpost&p=750032

copy and paste:

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alright... got things off the ground yesterday. had a few setbacks, and of course ended up having to do things the hard way.

1st things first... here's the tooling i arranged for the job:

some little stuff:
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the drill press:
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but the problem is, after about 30 minutes of trying, i couldn't get the bit to bite into the metal (i was literally hanging on the press handle, afraid of breaking it or the bit!), so drilling this puppy is out of the question.

so i had to go to plan B (lol):
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and after 5 hours of spitting, cussing, moaning and groaning, and also including 5 gazillion friggin little pieces of metal everywhere, i'm about 70% finished:
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betcha didn't think a dremel could be so handy eh?

it's not the prettiest piece of work i've ever done, but it's getting there (it'll look a lot better when i polish it up). now it shouldn't take this long next time, because i only had one tungsten carbide cutter bit and it was getting pretty dull around the time i finished the "new" high range slot (actually half of the teeth had broken off!). if i had a couple more fresh bits on hand i might could've finished this baby in 4 hours or so.

the next steps are to finish "milling" out the new channel, then cutting a ridge midway up the stock channel walls, along with a few small pits so the JB Weld will have some solid handles to hold itself in. then take the wire wheel and silicon sand stone to it to smooth it out and shine it up a little bit.

i'm guessing i'll need about another hour or two to get everything finished up. then drew and i will have to get together to install it and test it out for a few weeks.

starting to get excited

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i'll upload the full sized pics to webshots in a minute so you can see them better...

stay tuned!!!

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/28/2008 11:20:28 AM   
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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... and FINISHED!!! - 9/30/2008 5:44:38 PM   
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IT'S FINISHED!!!!!!!

http://www.arcticchat.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=91701&view=findpost&p=751268

(check out my webshots page for the major details and all the pics)

copy and paste for the lazy:

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alright i've finished the shift cam mod. i'm not gonna explain it all here... go to my webshots page and read the captions for the details (they're all in order from start to finish). there are a lot more pictures than these in there if you want to follow along with how i did it.

i've figured out a few things since i 1st started... now i think i can complete a cam mod in under 2 hours. this 1st cam took about 6 hours since i was trying out a bunch of different things. it took me twice as long to machine the smaller (new high range) channel than it did the larger channel (the new low range and low range reverse).

tell me what you think!

channels finished, pits and ridges machined into the walls of the stock channel so the JB Weld has some good grips:
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finished cam with the excess JB weld screeded off with a razor then the whole thing polished a bit with a wire wheel on the dremel:
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same as above, just a different angle:
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in about 24 hours the JB Weld should be fully hardened and cured. then it's ready to swap in and ride! i'm trying to see if drew can bring his 400m down this weekend so we can install it and get some before and after videos. i'll keep yall updated


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can't wait to try this out!

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/30/2008 5:49:30 PM   
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Looks like a lot of cutting for sure, if thats all you have to do that is going to be a great mod for people to do to get a low range revs on them.
how hard is it to put in the motor..?

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"G" axles
29.5 Laws on custom LE wheels
30" MLs on Black Castle Roks
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Dynojet,slide mod spring clipped
muffler tweaked
Hidden snorkel
HL temp gauge
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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/30/2008 5:58:08 PM   
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not hard at all i don't think (from looking at the service manual anyway)...maybe 30-45 minutes tops... all you do is take off the foot shifter, the range shifter linkage, maybe the footwell and peg (not sure yet), then take off the left side engine cover and POOF it's right there in front of you. just slide out the shift fork, then the shaft that the shift cam sits on... it's got springs supporing it so i imagine you'll need snapring pliers to get the cam off of the shaft. if anything, the service manual does a pretty good job of showing how it's done.

i'll get some better details and pictures when drew and i get together to install it. we're gonna take some videos of it stock, trying to back up steep hills and ditches, and maybe some mud (he still has stock tires though). then after we install the new cam, we'll get videos of it doing the exact same things with the low range reverse... it's gonna be a HUGE difference as with the low range reverse, it's almost exactly as low as low range 1st gear... which in these things is LOOOOWWWWW. then imagine that with 4.0s 

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/30/2008 6:00:52 PM   
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thats going to be killer  cant wait to see it on video.

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30" MLs on Black Castle Roks
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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/30/2008 6:09:28 PM   
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yes sir... i'm very excited to see this thing work... been waiting for someone to try it since i dreamed it up almost 10 months ago (remember this thread?  http://www.highlifter.com/forum/m_2393720/mpage_1/key_400m/tm.htm#2393720 ). well, i guess if you want it done right (or done at all), you gotta do it yourself!!!



here's where the shift cam is located:





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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/30/2008 6:15:22 PM   
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crap that does look real straight forward, couple hours time i bet and you wil be good to go

5hrs grinding that shift cam had to suck though...lol

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Snorkeled,Rad relocated
Custom mounted gauges
muffler tweaked
Dynojet, slide mod, spring clipped
Custom clutch kit, 4.0 gears
2" lift, HL springs, HL spacers
"G" axles
29.5 Laws on custom LE wheels
30" MLs on Black Castle Roks
05 500m
Dynojet,slide mod spring clipped
muffler tweaked
Hidden snorkel
HL temp gauge
26" 589MTs on ITP type 6s
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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 9/30/2008 6:21:41 PM   
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Looking realll nice!!!!

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 10/8/2008 2:13:44 PM   
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Still watching this for my Eiger.  This is my #1 complaint about the Eiger.  Get it tested man and keep up the good work.
Thanks,
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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 10/8/2008 6:21:54 PM   
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i won't be able to test them for a few more weeks since the guy i was working with is now WAY out of town for the rest of the month (for work)... but someone else over on arctic chat modified a cam and is going to start installing it this week. his looks awesome since he's got a TIG welder. i miss ours!!!

register over on the arctic chat forum (mainly so you can see the pictures) and read through the original thread... there's a LOT more info in there than here. http://www.arcticchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=91701

should hear something soon from C Snyder on how it works.

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 10/25/2008 7:21:24 AM   
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i want one if it is reliable.

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 10/31/2008 4:46:18 PM   
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IT WORKS!!!!

holy crap i'm happy to see this thing come to life!

C Snyder's original post:
http://www.arcticchat.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=91701&view=findpost&p=768805
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YES IT WORKS! installed today, took exactly 3 hrs. When coming apart watch for the spacers on the gears the alignment pins and gear shafts come out with the housing and you NEED the manual to make sure it goes back correct.

On another note: I purchaced this 400 used and I noticed a black carbon substaince that I can crush with my fingers on the drain plug. The clutch seems to slip alittle before it really grabs I assume I need a new clutch assembly and the black stuff is the cluch material ordering that part today.


Drove around the yard and it works great. I actually prefer the change in H/L positon. makes more sense to me.

Too busy to take the time to get pictures but the manual really shows what needs to be done.

now on to the next project!!!





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2005 RED AC 500M
Remote mounted g.o.r.i.l.l.a. 3k lb winch
PC680 battery
iEquus 8068 3 3/8" tach
Reloc'd radiator
26-in XTRs
some other stuff
!seals, !brakes, !traction, !BEVEL GEARS, !money, !sanity...


Dad's ride- 06 Foreman S 4WD

Bro's ride- 07 King Quad 450

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 10/31/2008 4:49:46 PM   
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good deal this is going to make a bunch of people happy.

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Warn 3.0
Snorkeled,Rad relocated
Custom mounted gauges
muffler tweaked
Dynojet, slide mod, spring clipped
Custom clutch kit, 4.0 gears
2" lift, HL springs, HL spacers
"G" axles
29.5 Laws on custom LE wheels
30" MLs on Black Castle Roks
05 500m
Dynojet,slide mod spring clipped
muffler tweaked
Hidden snorkel
HL temp gauge
26" 589MTs on ITP type 6s
Hard.Pack.Arctic.Cat

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RE: 400m reverse fix has begun... - 10/31/2008 4:57:10 PM   
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can this thread be added to the sticky now?

the guy i'm working with was supposed to be back today, but he emailed me yesterday saying that it'll be another week or so before he gets back in town.

can't wait to get some pics and vids of this...

p.s. it's probably worth noting that you're better off not using jb weld to fill up the old channel... i did it on this cam only as a last ditch effort to try the thing out before drew left. now that this is proven to work i'm gonna get another cam to mod and hot weld it with some steel in the transition area as a permanent fix. while this isn't an "easy" mod, it's actually not that hard to do.

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Remote mounted g.o.r.i.l.l.a. 3k lb winch
PC680 battery
iEquus 8068 3 3/8" tach
Reloc'd radiator
26-in XTRs
some other stuff
!seals, !brakes, !traction, !BEVEL GEARS, !money, !sanity...


Dad's ride- 06 Foreman S 4WD

Bro's ride- 07 King Quad 450

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