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4" catvos ride quality? - 8/16/2008 5:01:27 PM

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just wondering how they ride? cause i read a post with one guy saying the thing pushes in corners real bad. didnt know if maybe it was just him or toe not being rite or whatever.

thanks for the input.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/16/2008 5:18:55 PM

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If you have rode a stock setup it is three times better than that. The best ride and steering out of all the lifts I have had. Congrats on the new bike. It is a hero bike here..

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/16/2008 5:55:26 PM

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thanks pal, ;)

the six on my can am rode good just real wide, mark was telling me that the 4" catvos on a brute is still stock width, so thats perfect i'd be able to cross them 53" bridges that are scatered all ova the place.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/16/2008 11:37:16 PM

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I would ask Scott to make a 5" to 6" lift if I had to do it again. Just something a little bigger than the 4" for the bigger tires. But I love the 8"....

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 12:52:27 AM

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so swamp bomb you wanna sell that lift??

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 2:01:28 AM

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THE 4'' CATVOS TS AWESOME!!!!! I ACTUALLY HAVE MARK'S OLD 4" ON MY BIKE AND WOULDN'T TRADE TO FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD!!!

I WAS THINKING ABOUT BUYING OC FROM MARK AND GETTINA ANOTHER 4" FOR IT!! BUT YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THE FAMOUS O.C. BEFORE I COULD, CONGRATS!

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 2:02:50 AM

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so swamp bomb you wanna sell that lift??

I THINK THE CAN AM IS SOLD WITH THE LIFT

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 8:20:53 AM

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THE 4'' CATVOS TS AWESOME!!!!! I ACTUALLY HAVE MARK'S OLD 4" ON MY BIKE AND WOULDN'T TRADE TO FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD!!! I WAS THINKING ABOUT BUYING OC FROM MARK AND GETTINA ANOTHER 4" FOR IT!! BUT YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THE FAMOUS O.C. BEFORE I COULD, CONGRATS!

thanks. how do them 32's fit with only the 4"? i see in your sig your running sra rims, is thatt a must for them supa big rubbers?

ff1590f i would consider a 5-6" if its still narrow like the 4"
my can am was 60" wide, it was plenty hard to get around

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 8:24:52 AM

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so swamp bomb you wanna sell that lift??

I THINK THE CAN AM IS SOLD WITH THE LIFT

no i cant sell the lift on the can am.

the oc doesnt come with a lift either. mark has the big, raked lift in the for sale section

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 9:42:41 PM

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The 32's is why ur bike was turning so wide. Everyone that comes to the shop wont steer with them.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 9:58:12 PM

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it werent the turning wide it was the being wide. i have 14x6 rims with a 10" wide tire. that might be 1/2" -1" wider but its the lift i thought

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 10:11:58 PM

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I see. Yea must be the rims making it like that then.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 10:30:32 PM

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quote:

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THE 4'' CATVOS TS AWESOME!!!!! I ACTUALLY HAVE MARK'S OLD 4" ON MY BIKE AND WOULDN'T TRADE TO FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD!!! I WAS THINKING ABOUT BUYING OC FROM MARK AND GETTINA ANOTHER 4" FOR IT!! BUT YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THE FAMOUS O.C. BEFORE I COULD, CONGRATS!

thanks. how do them 32's fit with only the 4"? i see in your sig your running sra rims, is thatt a must for them supa big rubbers?

ff1590f i would consider a 5-6" if its still narrow like the 4"
my can am was 60" wide, it was plenty hard to get around

THE 32'S FIT PIRFECT WITH THE 4" NO RUBBING AND IT LOOKS AWESOME!!! I KNOW MY FRONT RACK IS 46 1/4" FROM THE GROUND!! I WENT WITH THE SRA WHEELS BECAUSE THE BIKE ACTUALLY GETS SKINIER WITH THIS LIFT SO I USED THEM TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT. I CAN GO OUTSIDE AND MEASURE IT IF YOU WANNA KNOW THE EXACT WITH BUT IT IS ONLY A LIL OVER 50" 52 AT THE MOST

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 11:23:16 PM

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I guess im gonna be labeled the "hater" but im gonna tell the truth on my friend (yeepimp)s bike.He has a brand new 08 brute that he got the 4 inch catvos.3 grand worth.The tires toe like crazy.And camber bad when turning.I have pictures of my bike right beside his and its only like a half inch shorter,and im running the highlifter 2 inch.The bike takes forever to turn around,the comment you heard about the front end pushing is an understatement.We went and rode at timberlanes this weekend and he got so pissed off about not being able to steer he said that as soon as he gets time off hes taking it back and selling the 4 inch and putting his 2 inch back on with highlifter springs.Scott at catvos said the reason why it has such a wide turning radius is because of the wide tires all the way around,I have 31x11s on my brute and it turns around on a factory turning radius.Where i would turn around on a trail, he would have to turn,back up,turn again, back up and then be able to head my way.As far as the ride,The rear of the bike has no give whatsoever,I can jump up and down on his back rack and it may move a quarter of an inch.Scott said the tires toe out and camber like they do because the front springs are soft,he said that it needed highlifter springs so it wouldnt go down....basically saying that it couldnt have any travel in the suspension at all to keep it from toeing or cambering,its like he set the lift up to have no travel or give in it.Maybe he was the only one that got a "faulty lift".Anyways you can buy his from him if you want the 4 inch,he would be happy to sell it to you im sure.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/17/2008 11:25:10 PM

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And his 31s rub worse with his 4 inch than mine do with my 2 inch,IMO save the money and get g axles and 2 inch if your wanting to stay in that catagory of height,but i think the 5 or 6 inch like ff1501 was talking about would be awesome.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 6:45:09 AM

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This is true what ALMOST30S is talking about. The lift and quality is great. So im not bashing catvos. Just the steering and camber on mine is not there. Scott called me not to long ago and asked how I like the lift. I told him that I hadnt had it on the trails but I rode it around the house and I told him about the steering and camber. He said that mine wasnt the only one doing it like there was a bad batch of lifts or something like that and that he would look at the lift and see what needed to be corrected. Thats the customer support he has. So im not being a hater or trying to promote bad business for scott. He does great work and gets what you need.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 7:59:01 AM

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Boys I just installed one of the 4" kits on a 08' bike and I had the same problem but I took Scott's advice and bought the HL springs and it made a difference. The steering was able to be adjusted to get the camber and toe in and out set right. And the bike runs the wide 12" 29.5's all the way around and it does make a big difference on the turnning. I ran the skinny's on my 4" and had no problem. The 31" laws will hit the front floorboards due to them being a square tire. The Backs will clear due to being a rounded style tire. Scott knows how to build lifts guys but when he tells you that the wider tires does effect the bike's performance you need to listen cause he knows what he is talking about. Mark's old 4" lift has been on three bikes now and is still getting punished. I had it after Mark and put it to the tests and it passed time in and time out... Thanks CATVOS...

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 12:34:08 PM

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i would idealy want to be running the 32's with the 4"

teamdidoffroad if ya got a minute please mease how wide your bike is outside of tire to outside of tire, front and rear. thanks a bunch fellas

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 3:50:20 PM

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Boys I just installed one of the 4" kits on a 08' bike and I had the same problem but I took Scott's advice and bought the HL springs and it made a difference. The steering was able to be adjusted to get the camber and toe in and out set right. And the bike runs the wide 12" 29.5's all the way around and it does make a big difference on the turnning. I ran the skinny's on my 4" and had no problem. The 31" laws will hit the front floorboards due to them being a square tire. The Backs will clear due to being a rounded style tire. Scott knows how to build lifts guys but when he tells you that the wider tires does effect the bike's performance you need to listen cause he knows what he is talking about. Mark's old 4" lift has been on three bikes now and is still getting punished. I had it after Mark and put it to the tests and it passed time in and time out... Thanks CATVOS...

So in other words after you put the highlifter springs on the front of the bike,or all the way around it had no choice but to be right.If i pick up on the front of the bike everything straigtens out,but as soon as it dips even half an inch the tires start to toe and camber like crazy,again, in other words no suspension travel or you have this problem,might as well put metal bars in place of the shocks because thats what the rear of yeepimps bike rides like and if he put the hl springs with the sping spacers up front its gonna be so stiff it wont have any travel.Why does it matter what tires you run on your turning radius?why would that change how far it takes to turn around?your still turning the handlebars just as far full lock just like when factory and it should turn on the same radius right?And im not saying he doesnt know how to build lifts or that they dont last because there praised on here.Im just stating the facts,Any ways SWAMPBOMB contact YEEPIMP and you could probably get yourself a good deal on the lift.Maybe you will have better luck with it.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 4:10:43 PM

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THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT ALMOST30S ;)

I WILL FIND OUT HOW MUCH POWDER COATING WILL COST AND SHOOT HIM A PM.

BUT IF HE PAYED 300O FOR THE LIFT HE MUST HAVE HAD IT INSTALLED THEN TO. IVE BEEN TOLD 2600 ANY COLOR I WANT.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 4:19:49 PM

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yeah he had it powdercoated silver and yes scott at catvos installed it,thats why i dont see why it wasnt right when it left there.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 4:37:32 PM

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Boy i wish people that dont own one of our lifts would quit bashing!!! We have already told him to bring us the bike cause this is a problem we just ran into on his bike and have only seen it on 1 other. We are actually fixing this issue as we speak. Like we told him before there is a frame issue with certain built brutes. That is his problem. I can take the same lift and bolt it on a different bike and it would be straight.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 4:50:09 PM

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how do you know which brutes are the "certain built brutes", I want the 4" but want to see if I might have this same problem???

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 5:26:59 PM

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Boy i wish people that dont own one of our lifts would quit bashing!!! We have already told him to bring us the bike cause this is a problem we just ran into on his bike and have only seen it on 1 other. We are actually fixing this issue as we speak. Like we told him before there is a frame issue with certain built brutes. That is his problem. I can take the same lift and bolt it on a different bike and it would be straight.

He never heard of a "Frame issue" but im sure he will be glad to have it where the wheels wont camber and toe any like it should an it accually have a ride.When you get it "right" is it going to turn around like my bike with wide tires or is it still going to have a really wide turning radius.I might not own the lift but i have drove it a decent amount and know what it feels/looks/handles like.Im not bashing either,just saying what i saw and experienced,simply an opinion,for what its worth.And its not that easy to just up and bring something when catvos is 3 hours away.but anyways im done with this.sad that you cant say what you see.

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 6:39:34 PM

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Boy i wish people that dont own one of our lifts would quit bashing!!! We have already told him to bring us the bike cause this is a problem we just ran into on his bike and have only seen it on 1 other. We are actually fixing this issue as we speak. Like we told him before there is a frame issue with certain built brutes. That is his problem. I can take the same lift and bolt it on a different bike and it would be straight.

He never heard of a "Frame issue" but im sure he will be glad to have it where the wheels wont camber and toe any like it should an it accually have a ride.When you get it "right" is it going to turn around like my bike with wide tires or is it still going to have a really wide turning radius.I might not own the lift but i have drove it a decent amount and know what it feels/looks/handles like.Im not bashing either,just saying what i saw and experienced,simply an opinion,for what its worth.And its not that easy to just up and bring something when catvos is 3 hours away.but anyways im done with this.sad that you cant say what you see.

ALMOST30S I'm the guy you were talkin to that night at the camp..Brooks is the guy with that huge green brute..Anyways, I noticed and the same thing and wondered the same thing..Thats a lot of money to pay and not be right when it leave and only be taller than a 2" lifted brute by 1/2" ???

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 7:15:16 PM

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Buying the catvos 4" lift just seems worth it imo.

youu get 4 gaxles, what 500 each, total 2K

HD a-arms & tie rods with hiem joints (powder coat what ever color) for 600
for 2600 total
or
2" HL LIFT 160-200 idont know

4 gaxles stock lengh 360-400 each, total 1600

for a total of 1800 that if it what i think for stock gaxles

it does suck that your buddies 4" aint working out for him though.
my 6" can am lift rides awsome, no toe issues, goes straight

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 7:18:17 PM

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i think the 4" uses stock length G axles

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05 DODGE RAM 3500 5.9 CUMMINS
WITH SOME GOODIES ON IT : )
AND BLACKED OUT

I-6 CUMMINS GUYS ARE KEEPIN' IT STRAIGHT. THOSE OTHER BOYS SWING BOTH WAYS

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 7:55:04 PM

ALMOST30S

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ORIGINAL: swamp bomb

Buying the catvos 4" lift just seems worth it imo.

youu get 4 gaxles, what 500 each, total 2K

HD a-arms & tie rods with hiem joints (powder coat what ever color) for 600
for 2600 total
or
2" HL LIFT 160-200 idont know

4 gaxles stock lengh 360-400 each, total 1600

for a total of 1800 that if it what i think for stock gaxles

it does suck that your buddies 4" aint working out for him though.
my 6" can am lift rides awsome, no toe issues, goes straight

Yeah the 4 inch uses stock length **** axles.. and your right your 6 inch lift and everybody elses 6 or more lift ive never seen do this or have a problem either.Its up to you man,im not trying to sway your opinion,just letting you know your options and can save a g or spend it.But im glad you will be in the brute family either way!We will need to ride sometime,all of us brute guys!

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1984 yamaha breeze brute force 500
lift-f150 torsion keys up front and 2inch blocks in the rear
SCUBA GEAR
30x12x15 big horns
flowmaster exhaust
cookie cutter cdi
APC headlights
Transmission work
RIMs-u wont believe it!ROUND ONES!how crazy is that?
Peg leg limited slip 4wd lock
smitty built brushguard
Flux capacitor motor puttin out 19 rwhp!

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RE: 4" catvos ride quality? - 8/18/2008 7:57:26 PM

ALMOST30S

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ORIGINAL: redGrizz

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ORIGINAL: ALMOST30S

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ORIGINAL: mudder500

Boy i wish people that dont own one of our lifts would quit bashing!!! We have already told him to bring us the bike cause this is a problem we just ran into on his bike and have only seen it on 1 other. We are actually fixing this issue as we speak. Like we told him before there is a frame issue with certain built brutes. That is his problem. I can take the same lift and bolt it on a different bike and it would be straight.

He never heard of a "Frame issue" but im sure he will be glad to have it where the wheels wont camber and toe any like it should an it accually have a ride.When you get it "right" is it going to turn around like my bike with wide tires or is it still going to have a really wide turning radius.I might not own the lift but i have drove it a decent amount and know what it feels/looks/handles like.Im not bashing either,just saying what i saw and experienced,simply an opinion,for what its worth.And its not that easy to just up and bring something when catvos is 3 hours away.but anyways im done with this.sad that you cant say what you see.

ALMOST30S I'm the guy you were talkin to that night at the camp..Brooks is the guy with that huge green brute..Anyways, I noticed and the same thing and wondered the same thing..Thats a lot of money to pay and not be right when it leave and only be taller than a 2" lifted brute by 1/2" ???

Haha cool man nice meetin you,yeah that brute was huge for sure,i cant believe he took off on it with the axle practically hanging off the back right lol,i guess thats what you do when you are that intoxicated lol.did you watch me do that little "pass" on that gravel road?haha

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